And remember, if you hurt her, I will beat you to death with a shovel.

Willow ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - Mar 26, 2011 8:36:22 am PDT #18664 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Pretty strong indication that monsters go to puratory.

Not contending that. However, it's also a strong indicator that monsters don't have souls.

Well some of the monsters had the ability to reproduce either by um reporducing or by turning people.

Haven't we had origins or implications of origins for quite a few? I mean, for ongoing reproduction? The assumption would be, for instance, that dragons breed, werewolves and vampires turn, wendigos are created through corruption, etc. It's not rare. Eve's posited as the *original* creator of monsters, not as their ongoing creator. Maybe she's hoarding souls to make new new monsters. But the soul market picking up is new. That's the point of the season.

What is everafter? Is it fairy tales, or just plain romance?

Disney movie adaptations. They've done Swiss Family Robinson and The Incredibles so far.


Amy - Mar 26, 2011 8:37:11 am PDT #18665 of 30002
Because books.

Disney movie adaptations.

Ah.


Juliebird - Mar 26, 2011 8:48:04 am PDT #18666 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Of all things to do fusions of for a challenge, why Disney?


Typo Boy - Mar 26, 2011 9:00:55 am PDT #18667 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Pretty good indicator that monsters do have souls. Otherwise what goes to purgatory? But yeah monsters do reproduce. Still it seems like they have to be originally made out of souls. But not arguing it is going to turn out the continuing monsters made out of souls. But could turn out that way. I mean if someone is turned (a la vamped) could argue that it is a transformation of the soul. Regular reproduction - well maybe a human soul gets snagged somewhere along the way. Once it turned out that demons were jumped up ghosts it just occured to me that it would good story telling, appropriately grim, if all supernatural beings were ghosts. For monsters, not canon, but not a huge thing to justify. For Angels and Gods, much harder but I can think of a way. However,not saying the show will even go there with monsters. Saying that it would be good story telling and not that hard to justify. "Ghosts all the way down" (in analogy to turtles all the way down) would fit in with the extremely dark world building.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 26, 2011 10:04:46 am PDT #18668 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I can easily see gods being human beings from the distant past who gained immortality and power through people's belief, or just being created whole cloth by belief like the "ghost" in "Hell House." But the show's been pretty clear about the angels predating humanity.


Typo Boy - Mar 26, 2011 10:20:27 am PDT #18669 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Right about Angels. Don't think they are going there. But if they wanted make Angels and Gods people, part of the process could be buying your own bullshit. So Angels and Gods believe they predated humanity but they are wrong. Again not saying show will go there. Saying I'd like show to go there. (Although, unlike other things I'd hopef for in the past not inconsistent with Show's styles. Still not going to happen.)


§ ita § - Mar 26, 2011 11:14:13 am PDT #18670 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But Typo, the quote says they don't have souls. I don't understand how else to underwriter interpret that. You have a soul, you go to heaven or hell. You don't, you go to purgatory. Whatever remains can't suddenly be a soul.


Typo Boy - Mar 26, 2011 11:50:55 am PDT #18671 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

The quote you made did not mention lack of souls. Did the vamp king actually say something on the lines of "you have souls we dont"?


§ ita § - Mar 26, 2011 12:02:47 pm PDT #18672 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The quote says that if you've got a soul you go to heaven or hell-up or down. Then he makes the distinction of his kind, which seemed to me to be pretty clearly the other case-soulless. How are you interpreting it?


Amy - Mar 26, 2011 12:12:47 pm PDT #18673 of 30002
Because books.

This is the quote:

The thing about souls -- If you've got one, of course -- Is they're predictable. You die, you go up or down. Where do my kind go?

It seems pretty clear to me that he means his kind don't have souls, which is why they don't go to heaven or hell.