Or maybe the vidder is just hawt for Sam and Dean and was putting in their favorite luscious clips in?

the clutching and touching. Yes, these are all shots from the show, but the closeups are not

And neither is the implying of the watching of the dressing and the lip licking. That's put in there on purpose, and that was done with a shippy PoV. There's a fine line of "no more shippy than Show!" but pretty much any time anyone says that (about ANY pairing) they're actually writing pre-slash.

I know on the D/C side in fic pre-slash is used quite a lot. I have a very specific definition for it in my head, and it's probably not a usefully shared one. It's usually when one or both of the pair doesn't understand what they're feeling is non-platonic, and nothing is acted upon, although personal space may be invaded and possessiveness might be demonstrated.

You have to string together a lot of bits from the show to make it pre-slash, and leave a lot of other bits out. It's not the same as Show, not at all. Also, there's no kissing in pre-slash. I've read stuff labelled that that ended in sex. Pre what, people?

Sorry-I have a labelling jones, and I hate when people label their stuff disingenuously. It makes me suspicious of their motivation.

Amy, it's not you, and it's not offensive.

What Julie said. I don't get what the vidder was doing.

Oh, did I mention I also hate the "slashy/Wincesty if you squint!" label? Be honest, and if you're putting in innuendo, own it. Don't act like it's all on the reader to put it there.

It could be a matter of perspective, too. If you've read graphic Wincest, which I have, the vid looks tame? And just brotherly?

Hi, I'm Julie, and . . . I've read graphic Wincest.

::clapping::

I was thinking at first "perspective" based on what we like or what we have or haven't read. I was thinking that because of my having been exposed to S/D slash maybe I was viewing it biased. But, the closeups! The emphasis on lip-licking and glances and touching! The tomfoolery doesn't happen until the final 45 seconds or so, and it's not until then that I sense anything brotherly. Even the hugs are staged as these epic erotic things.

I was wondering if it was because I had a Wincest squick that I was seeing it, but then I figured maybe she's just trying to get it past a jaded audience, one that doesn't really care because they've seen explicit manips et al.

But does being an S/D shipper make you more sensitive to seeing that sort of stuff because you're hungry for it? Being squicked for it means that your antennae are up?

Dunno. But vidder still put them in on purpose.

In completely other news, Annette O'Toole just tweeted this (and SuperWiki retweeted it):

...Sat next to Jensen Ackles on plane home. Reminiscing w/him was SO comforting. What a lovely person he is.

I removed what might have been a spoiler from the beginning. I don't follow Smallville, though, so I have no idea if it was actually spoilery or not.

Aw, that's sweet, Amy.

I have a very specific definition for it in my head, and it's probably not a usefully shared one. It's usually when one or both of the pair doesn't understand what they're feeling is non-platonic, and nothing is acted upon, although personal space may be invaded and possessiveness might be demonstrated.

Hee. That's pretty much how I define 'pre-slash' in my own mind. The feelings are there, but the understanding of/action on those feelings is not. I see it as being different from something that's laden with subtext, because in pre-slash (as opposed to gen), the text is more dom than sub.

I've seen people complain that it's not fair to have a term pre-slash and no het equivalent, and that that means pre-slash is homophobic or homo-fetishising or something, but seriously, I'd just want a het equivalent. Because if I'm reading for gen and I get the pre-cooties, ickie poo. Also, if I'm looking for shippy teasing, I want to know the distinction between that and a fic that has definite shippy payoff.

I think my sister owes me an hour of SPN.

She's predisposed to hate it, because I like it so much. She's crazy intelligent, tends to like British drama, Korean action, South American soaps. She likes sexual tension, but has my incest squick. She likes a good action rescue, but gets grossed out when things are too graphic. She has no interest in the guy getting the girl in the end.

WHAT EPISODE? Just one ep, continuity be damned. I think I may have sat her through most of Changing Channels already, so it would have to be something else.

Folsom Prison Blues. Good brotherly teamwork, daring scheme, some humor, decent source of backstory, nice touch of melodrama wrt John's legacy.

The jumpsuits are a plausible drawback.

Interesting choice. I'd not have come to that on my own. I don't think of it as a standout, although it's a favourite of the season.

Speaking of new people watching the show, bon is PISSED at Croatoan. She thinks they shouldn't have killed the mother. It wasn't clear that she was infected, bon said, and that it would have been better to send her outside if she presented a potential threat.

I cannot talk her down from this. It's how she views the episode, the one where they murder the woman. Not, the one where Dean gives up for the first time, like we all know it is. I can't fix her.