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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - Jan 29, 2011 1:20:33 pm PST #17306 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Tessa told Dean that if the little girl didn't die, she'd be surrounded by chaos and sadness because she was living outside her time.

Do you suppose that's what wrong with everything? That one deal that Mary made, that had John living past his time, enshrouded them in disturbance? And that each successive resurrection (whoah nellie, what a family) just amplifies it?

I also noted that when Samuel was explaining his point, he said he wanted Mary "back from the dead" because he didn't know how to live without her. Which sounded creepy and all about him and not like he thought he was doing her a favour.


Amy - Jan 29, 2011 1:21:37 pm PST #17307 of 30002
Because books.

Spike, especially, could love and displayed selected empathy. He was just a manically bad man.

Exactly. The writers here just seem to have dialed Sam's depth of emotion back to 1.


Amy - Jan 29, 2011 1:25:15 pm PST #17308 of 30002
Because books.

he said he wanted Mary "back from the dead" because he didn't know how to live without her. Which sounded creepy and all about him and not like he thought he was doing her a favour.

This still bothers me. It might twig me less if he had mentioned his wife at all, but he doesn't, and that strikes me as super weird and dysfunctional.

I think because they set him up as antagonist, they couldn't focus his wish on giving her back to her sons, but I have a hard time imagining any parent who wouldn't do that for a child, when her own children are STANDING RIGHT THERE. Not about you anymore, old man.


§ ita § - Jan 29, 2011 1:30:35 pm PST #17309 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Well he did suggest that Dean would want her back too, but that was shortly before he handed them over to their putative deaths--Sam an enigma, and Dean a stranger.

STILL HER OFFSPRING, GENIUS. She's going to be pissed.


Laga - Jan 29, 2011 1:40:18 pm PST #17310 of 30002
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

Spike, especially, could love

Technically Spike was an anomaly.


Juliebird - Jan 29, 2011 1:45:17 pm PST #17311 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Yeah, I never did get why putting Sam's soul in Heaven was never stated as an option.

And there could still be Robo!Sam wandering the earth, and maybe his soul could come back when it had finished with it's heavenly therapy. I mean, Cas is sheriff, it's not like Heaven's gates would be closed to it. Or, if it's not angels, hmmm, it's the reapers who gather the souls and send them on their way? And they don't know what happens to souls? Who's the final deliverer of souls? Death? Another angel?


§ ita § - Jan 29, 2011 1:46:45 pm PST #17312 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Well, we have a group of two. And one of them was obsessed with Buffy, and the other one was in love with Dru.

Sam seems to have a very strong responsibility towards Dean, and will gnaw at his arm to carry out his mission--but that's what it is. Dean is mission #1. He's not feeling there, except perhaps satisfaction at a mission well accomplished.

Angel had a fascination with Drusilla, Darla, and especially Buffy. Losing his soul did nothing to his ability to feel, he just stopped feeling the fluffy stuff.


§ ita § - Jan 29, 2011 1:48:08 pm PST #17313 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think Dean didn't want the soul out of Sam one more second. But why wouldn't Cas suggest it? Dean's all "fix it now. Fix fixing it later."


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 29, 2011 2:10:40 pm PST #17314 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Castiel's focus on the wellbeing of what was left of Sam rather than his absent soul really bugged me. I could maybe see that attitude from one of their human allies who'd be concentrating on the apparently complete person in front of them, but you'd think the Angel would regard the immortal soul as the essential part of a person. He certainly seemed to in "Dark Side of the Moon."


Juliebird - Jan 29, 2011 2:16:55 pm PST #17315 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

So much YES, Matt.