Yeah, I never did get why putting Sam's soul in Heaven was never stated as an option.

And there could still be Robo!Sam wandering the earth, and maybe his soul could come back when it had finished with it's heavenly therapy. I mean, Cas is sheriff, it's not like Heaven's gates would be closed to it. Or, if it's not angels, hmmm, it's the reapers who gather the souls and send them on their way? And they don't know what happens to souls? Who's the final deliverer of souls? Death? Another angel?

Well, we have a group of two. And one of them was obsessed with Buffy, and the other one was in love with Dru.

Sam seems to have a very strong responsibility towards Dean, and will gnaw at his arm to carry out his mission--but that's what it is. Dean is mission #1. He's not feeling there, except perhaps satisfaction at a mission well accomplished.

Angel had a fascination with Drusilla, Darla, and especially Buffy. Losing his soul did nothing to his ability to feel, he just stopped feeling the fluffy stuff.

I think Dean didn't want the soul out of Sam one more second. But why wouldn't Cas suggest it? Dean's all "fix it now. Fix fixing it later."

Castiel's focus on the wellbeing of what was left of Sam rather than his absent soul really bugged me. I could maybe see that attitude from one of their human allies who'd be concentrating on the apparently complete person in front of them, but you'd think the Angel would regard the immortal soul as the essential part of a person. He certainly seemed to in "Dark Side of the Moon."

So much YES, Matt.

He was the one painting the bleakest picture of what was happening, and all he wanted to do was keep Sam as is.

If souls are all that and godly and worth having a season arc over, he needs to get with the program.

Instead, he's viewing Robo!Sam as a viable entity that can be let roam society--he's all concerned with the good of the resultant combination, whereas Dean is concerned that the combination be good.

oh what must it be like out there away from buffistas? I just asked D if he thought Cas was being honest with Sam & Dean and he said, "I forget what's going on."

Mmmph. People with incomplete memory of canon! What are we going to do with them?

Of course, I can only remember half an episode back in Vampire Diaries. Too many things happen, yo.

Shoot, I still have this image of Sam as happy and cute and innocent, when from the pilot, he was angry and vengeful from the pilot onward. I still don't know where that came from (just how JP looks?) but it's ocassionaly a shock when I go back and get a faceful of "dude is fucked up".

Yeah, he got on board with Dean's quest, and an understanding of what it was like for Dean to lose their mom, but Dean's had a lifetime to adjust (in a fucked up way). Is it fic that screwed me up over this? Or, does Sam superficially come of as still innocent and sweet and naive in canon if you forget the shows origins?

Sam is good with someone dying in the place of Dean in Faith. He storms out of the car to find John in Scarecrow. He rages at John until right before John dies.

He's impassioned and emotional but definitely also angry and willing to be dark.