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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Anne W. - Jan 13, 2011 12:54:19 am PST #17052 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Envisioning is a perfectly cromulent word.

I can see 'safe' and 'normal' as both being other ways to describe stability. Staying in one place for more than a few weeks at a time. Being able to have ongoing relationships that didn't have very high odds of being severed violently. Etc.

Dean, I see as wanting normal at some level but suppressing that desire for any number of reasons. I remember his delight at mowing the lawn in WIAWSNB, of being a PA in Hollywood Babylon, and then dreaming about having a life with Lisa. PTSD issues aside, he seemed to adapt to his new life with Lisa reasonably well. If he had those suppressed/repressed desires, he might well project them on Sam to some degree.

I'm not sure they had it all planned out as well as Kripke claims they did.

I think there was a fair amount of handwavium involved in their planning. Also, maybe the planning was more of a general road map from A to B to C to D, with details being made up as they went along. I can also imagine a situation where Cool Idea 1 ended up getting trumped by Cool Idea 2--but with no way to go back and tweak details in episodes that had already been filmed and aired.


§ ita § - Jan 13, 2011 5:11:18 am PST #17053 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

PTSD issues aside, he seemed to adapt to his new life with Lisa reasonably well

I'm not sure what to blame all that drinking on. PTSD, Sam, misfit, whatever. But I think he adapted to caring for Lisa and Ben better than he adapted to normal life. Part of this is my own personal fanon, but still. It's not like I'd expect an experienced hunter not to take precautions, but his night patrolling and his gun under the bed in a house with a kid in it isn't quite fitting in.

Hard to tell with what we were given, though.


§ ita § - Jan 13, 2011 9:24:54 am PST #17054 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

On whose orders was Anna acting? Can someone go to a convention and ask that question?


Amy - Jan 13, 2011 9:51:07 am PST #17055 of 30002
Because books.

When she was sent to kill Sam?


§ ita § - Jan 13, 2011 9:53:09 am PST #17056 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Yup. I remember assuming it wasn't Michael, because he ended up killing her, but I'm fuzzy on if I ever decided on anything.

Also, dead or not dead? I just read someone saying she wasn't. Lack of wing imprint?


Amy - Jan 13, 2011 9:54:34 am PST #17057 of 30002
Because books.

I'd have to watch that episode again.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 13, 2011 12:54:33 pm PST #17058 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I'd say dead. Supposedly she wasn't in a host, but instead manifesting a facsimile body (like Castiel), so the special effect might be different. Michael gave no indication that he was being merciful.


Juliebird - Jan 13, 2011 12:58:02 pm PST #17059 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Well, she couldn't be working for Zacchariah, since he wanted Sam alive and well so Lucy and Micky could face off. It seems like it would be some unseen faction of angels who just wanted Lucifer DED, and thought they were actually doing the world a favour? You know, one human dead to save billions?


Anne W. - Jan 13, 2011 1:02:22 pm PST #17060 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

It seems like it would be some unseen faction of angels who just wanted Lucifer DED, and thought they were actually doing the world a favour?

I love the idea that the civil war in Heaven isn't just Castiel's group vs. Raphael's group, but a whole bunch of different factions.


§ ita § - Jan 13, 2011 1:09:02 pm PST #17061 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

She was brainwashed/tortured into her position. I think at the time I was assuming it was the same dicks that did it to Castiel (god bless), but, yeah, that makes no sense. It does imply a third party, one with enough power to do that, though.

Or maybe they purged the rebellion from her, and that was her sense of mission.

Someone ask Sera!