Zoe: First rule of battle, little one. Don't ever let 'em know where you are. Mal: Whoo-hoo! I'm right here! I'm right here! You want some of me? Yeah, you do! Come on! Come on! Aaah! Whoo-hoo! Zoe: Of course, there are other schools of thought...

'The Message'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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Anne W. - Jan 11, 2011 4:49:19 pm PST #17002 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

ita, you're asking me to be rational about an emotional reaction. I pulled the one example I remembered, and the one that set me off. That's all.

And yes, Death vs. God (or possibly Chuck-as-God) could be quite amusing in this 'verse.


§ ita § - Jan 11, 2011 4:53:20 pm PST #17003 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Then I'm stumped. If you want me to stop talking about fic, that's easier, because I don't get when's okay if almost 24 hour gap in conversation is overwhelming.


Anne W. - Jan 11, 2011 5:05:12 pm PST #17004 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

When you come into a thread after some time away, I don't see a time gap. I see a string of posts. I can tell you what I (and apparently some others) feel about how the culture of the thread has changed, but I am feeling a lot of pressure to codify my discontent with examples and date stamps.

Again, I retract my suggestion.


Beverly - Jan 11, 2011 5:05:34 pm PST #17005 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

run them out of their thread

Who says it's "theirs" and not "ours" as well? It's a fic thread, for discussing fic.

But just so I'm clear, SPN is persona non grata on the board everywhere but in this thread? I know people are reluctant to have "disagreeable content", which apparently, as I'm understading from tonight's discussion, includes anything SPN-related, anywhere else on the board?

Okay fine, if that's the consensus. It just feels like self-ghettoization to me.


Laga - Jan 11, 2011 5:12:05 pm PST #17006 of 30002
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I've never felt like SPN talk is unwelcome elsewhere on the board, but I started watching long after SPN had its own thread.


§ ita § - Jan 11, 2011 5:12:21 pm PST #17007 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I can't learn without lessons, Anne, and I don't understand what makes you uncomfortable. That's why I'm pressing.

I understand you had an emotional response to seeing posts you don't want to read. But if your problem is conversations being stifled, that I can work with. I just haven't seen it. If your problem is that people post about stuff you don't like--I'm sorry. But I don't know what you do like. All I can do is stop talking about the stuff that upsets you.

Who says it's "theirs" and not "ours" as well? It's a fic thread, for discussing fic.

Do you post there? By "them" I also include me and any of us who post there, pretty much not about SPN. Anne does sometimes, but like I said--little traction. When I'm there, I'm participating in a thread culture that's never fostered Show.

Anyway, fuck it. I have no interest in moving my fic discussion away from the show and cognitively will have an easier time not talking about it. It's related to the show for me, and it doesn't work for me there. It's easier to stop.


Cass - Jan 11, 2011 5:18:13 pm PST #17008 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

§ ita § - Jan 11, 2011 5:20:47 pm PST #17009 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Check back--I never said it was unwelcome. I said it never gained traction. Any influx of volume and posters on a topic that never had tenacity beforehand is a wholesale change of tenor I have no interest in being part of. I'm only personally against it, it's not like I can tell anyone not to do it.

I'm just not going to.

Shit changes all the time. I just want no part of that particular putative one.


Cass - Jan 11, 2011 5:22:39 pm PST #17010 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Got it.


Beverly - Jan 11, 2011 5:31:58 pm PST #17011 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

When Consuela, Nutty, and others were watching SPN and writing and posting SPN fic, there were recs and discussion of their and others' fic, along with fic in other fandoms. It's only been since the separation from Boxed Set, and a drift to other fandoms by writers on the board, that there've been fewer SPN recs in the fic thread. I've both posted links and discussed fics for SPN in there, and I'm subbed to the thread and read whatever new posts there are.

I don't want to discourage anybody from enjoying Show the way they like. There is obviously considerable interest in fic recs and discussion, so by consensus, that should go on here. Posting art and other links of course should go here.

I'm sorry if I had any part in fostering discomfort, but I'm glad we had the discussion.