But that's just my point! You she obeys! She obeys you! There's obeying going on right under my nose!

Wash ,'War Stories'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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Amy - Jan 06, 2011 2:43:16 pm PST #16885 of 30002
Because books.

Yeah, I'm having a lot of problems with that story. Mostly because she set up like a traditional romcom or romance, and she's not following the rules of the genre at all. Which is *my* problem, I know -- I'm just sort of trained to read something as a romance when it's set up that way.

Even then, she's playing it really loose with her own interpretations of these characters in the first place, so.


Morgana - Jan 06, 2011 5:53:03 pm PST #16886 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

I assume you're reading a Dean/Castiel pairing by Rockstarpeach? I can tell you that I've read wincest by her that was..... unpleasant in its characterization. And I was dismayed by the number of people who seemed to feel it was OMG so hot!!11!!1!1!! in the comments. Because not only were they acting out of character, they were outright cruel to one another.


§ ita § - Jan 06, 2011 6:05:22 pm PST #16887 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Well, to be honest, I'm mostly hurt that Castiel is hurt. Because it's been clear that a) Dean is fucking around and b) Cas is sleeping with someone else.

However, I totally think it's hot. And I'm okay with them not ending up together in the end. Cas has been telegraphing his aversion (coupled with desire, natch) since chapter one, so I figure it's a net win if he ends up coupled.


Amy - Jan 06, 2011 6:20:59 pm PST #16888 of 30002
Because books.

I think that's it -- she set it up like a meet-cute or a standard romance, but then she didn't follow through. For Dean to go that far out of his comfort zone with Cas on first sight like that, I'm expecting more than random hookups, and a weird fascination with Cas's awkward attempts at making himself more *known*, more individual, to Dean .

I also think it would have worked better for me if their initial connection hadn't been based on sexual attraction, and Cas's sort of too-teenaged crush, but on some kind of quirky friendship, which then led to the sexing, etc. .

I also think it could be hotter, but mostly I think she's doing a disservice to both characters. For me, Dean is way too oblivious and entitled, and Cas is caving like quicksand every other sentence.


§ ita § - Jan 06, 2011 6:26:26 pm PST #16889 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm not as steeped in romance tropes as you are, so when a guy says he doesn't want a relationship, I'm very "Oh, okay!" about the whole thing, even if I think it might be a nice idea.

I also like the idea that Dean fell face forward into a pit of lust, and needs to work out that the awkwardness that Cas displays is unique and pulls him specifically towards him-- I thought the conversation with Sam was really uncomfortable and way too slow, but in the right decoration--I'd have rather he'd realised it by then.

I would cave less than Cas, but I'd make sure to cave some. I have caved some. But I doubt I'd be as remarkably memorable as him, so there you go.


Amy - Jan 06, 2011 6:30:06 pm PST #16890 of 30002
Because books.

Yeah, I think I'm just looking for the happy ending *I* expect, and I can't see how she can manage it *and* make me believe it at this point, so I'm irritated.

I don't usually get cranky about fic, either!


§ ita § - Jan 06, 2011 6:39:14 pm PST #16891 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If I were Cas I'd have all the sex and do none of the pining and those situations he walks away with another woman, and I walk away having had some good times,

And Dean has his preferred ass and will get other ass afterwards. That's how my groupie shit worked out.


Beverly - Jan 06, 2011 11:30:42 pm PST #16892 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

We knew that Tamara was Ianto's girlfriend, right?


Beverly - Jan 07, 2011 12:23:39 am PST #16893 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Has everyone seen this? My favorite is the one at the bottom of the post.


Anne W. - Jan 07, 2011 1:00:37 am PST #16894 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Oh, that is amazing! Thank you for sharing that, Beverly.