Even though Samuel was already dead by that point? When the YED used John to torment Dean, or Meg used Sam for that week, they were still alive and had to live with the consequences. Samuel had already shuffled off this mortal coil... until Crowley or one of his minions or angel sidekicks tracked him down in the afterlife and drug it all up again, I guess.

Samuel was mortally wounded, but didn't die until the demon left his body, if I'm reading the way it works in SPN correctly. Azazel stabbed the meatsack while possessed. Like Meg Masters (original flavor), the meatsack clung to life until the demon was gone.

Which is what leads me to think I need to back off trying so hard to be fannish about SPN right now. It's exhausting and I'd rather expect little from the show and be amused than expect the show to be what it was to me and be disappointed.

It helps! It's not my primary fandom right now, as you know, and that's brought back my ability to just enjoy it. It's like a good ex-ummfriend where the sexual chemistry between us may be gone, but the fondness is still there.

(Meanwhile, I'm off in my torrid state of Sherlock affection and naming my sockcock Watson. It's a thing.)

It's just I am so caught up in skeeve...

This sums up how I got derailed this episode. It's been good to read the arc speculation (and clarification) because it's lifted the focus for me to a better place.

I did notice someone say that the demon Sam stabbed was the one that looked twice at Dean, the one Dean asked if he wanted to kiss him.

Just tossing it out there.

Hey, what did Dean say about Meg's persuasive powers in hell? Was he implying she took over when Alistair was at lunch? I missed that and haven't rewatched yet.

He looked so sick when he said whatever it was, with the memory. JENSEN ACKLES, man. I continue to adore.

I did notice someone say that the demon Sam stabbed was the one that looked twice at Dean, the one Dean asked if he wanted to kiss him.

As absolutely skeevy as SPN has been, I don't think soulless Sam gives a damn about teh gay.

I think she said that she studied under Alastair, so she'd be good, right, Dean? Dean? Which made me wonder if they intersected down there either on or off the rack.

As absolutely skeevy as SPN has been, I don't think soulless Sam gives a damn about teh gay.

He may not want anyone to kiss his brother, though.

Why would he care who leers at Dean though?

I really wonder if something got cut that gave even a vague handwave as to why Sam killed that demon. Especially a demon who, when I was only half watching, looked like Sampa.

I did notice someone say that the demon Sam stabbed was the one that looked twice at Dean, the one Dean asked if he wanted to kiss him.

Was this someone a Sam/Dean shipper who was therefore wearing the tinfoil hat? You know, "he looked funny at my man and therefore must die?"

Sam has been focussed on two things without his soul, that the theoretically need not have been--hunting and Dean. They have no simple payoff like sex.

I'm not even remotely a Sam/Dean shipper, but if soulless Sam came through all this understanding two things (okay, not understanding two things, just knowing them--Dean and hunt monsters), killing that demon may have been the precise right choice to flex his muscles at the time.

He is a bit dismissive of Lisa, although that's easily read as disdain for emotional ties.