Trust me, this one you don't want to know.
The webclip for this Friday, though? You totally want to watch that.
Giles! I accidentally killed Spike. That's okay, right?
Buffy ,'Never Leave Me'
Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?
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§ ita § - Nov 16, 2010 8:36:30 am PST #15828 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Laga - Nov 16, 2010 8:56:39 am PST #15829 of 30002
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
Is there a webclib other than the preview we saw Friday?
§ ita § - Nov 16, 2010 8:59:33 am PST #15830 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Oh, yeah baby: [link] I can't wait.
Laga - Nov 16, 2010 9:03:14 am PST #15831 of 30002
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
Awesome!
SuziQ - Nov 16, 2010 9:05:36 am PST #15832 of 30002
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame
Still ignoring non-aired stuff.
Kinda a duh thought here. The Supernatural universe has become one where death is not the worst thing that can happen to you. Another character death? Call up an angel or make a crossroads deal, no worries. But losing your moral compass. That is different. I know we have gotten twisted around on how souls and contracts with the devil work in this verse. Bobby didn't lose his morals when his sould was under contract and yet his soul had to be "given back" to him.
Ok, just babbling now. Nebbermind me.
Laga - Nov 16, 2010 9:08:14 am PST #15833 of 30002
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
I feel like Bobby never lost possession of his soul, just ownership.
§ ita § - Nov 16, 2010 9:09:14 am PST #15834 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Call up an angel or make a crossroads deal, no worries
Well, I think a crossroads deal has been shown to be fraught with worries--that fueled two seasons of angst and started the apocalypse.
Bobby's soul wasn't given back to him--the lien on it was removed. I was viewing soul and contracts wrongly up until the Bobby ep, and Sam's reveal has clarified it for me--he's the only human we've seen without a soul. Everyone else had just given theirs up at sometime in the future, apparently coinciding with their death and descent into Hell.
SuziQ - Nov 16, 2010 9:42:35 am PST #15835 of 30002
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame
The "no worries" was supposed to be in sarcasm font. I can never seem to get that to show up correctly.
Laga and ita, that makes sense about soul ownership versus removal.
Taking it a step further. Why does the person HAVE to die at the end of their contract? Could he or she live without their souls? I mean, obviously Sam is, so it can happen. The hell hounds make sure the person is shredded when the account comes due so it is a moot question. But why? Wouldn't the demons enjoy yanking a person's soul and then watching the havoc that the person creates without their moral compass?
§ ita § - Nov 16, 2010 9:44:17 am PST #15836 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I am waiting somewhat impatiently for Show to explain how Dean's soul was his consciousness being tormented in Hell and there was nothing left over, yet Sam has some consciousness apart from his soul that can animate his meatsuit.
That's what's inconsistent so far for me.
Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 16, 2010 9:50:36 am PST #15837 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Perhaps something about either his various infusions of demon blood/power over the years or the full-on possession by Lucifer rendered Sam's body and memories capable of going on without the creamy soul filling?
Though I'm tending to think this was something done deliberately, that body and mind were intentionally reconstituted without the soul by someone (not necessarily Crowley) to a specific end purpose.