The "no worries" was supposed to be in sarcasm font. I can never seem to get that to show up correctly.
Laga and ita, that makes sense about soul ownership versus removal.
Taking it a step further. Why does the person HAVE to die at the end of their contract? Could he or she live without their souls? I mean, obviously Sam is, so it can happen. The hell hounds make sure the person is shredded when the account comes due so it is a moot question. But why? Wouldn't the demons enjoy yanking a person's soul and then watching the havoc that the person creates without their moral compass?
I am waiting somewhat impatiently for Show to explain how Dean's soul was his consciousness being tormented in Hell and there was nothing left over, yet Sam has some consciousness apart from his soul that can animate his meatsuit.
That's what's inconsistent so far for me.
Perhaps something about either his various infusions of demon blood/power over the years or the full-on possession by Lucifer rendered Sam's body and memories capable of going on without the creamy soul filling?
Though I'm tending to think this was something done deliberately, that body and mind were intentionally reconstituted without the soul by someone (not necessarily Crowley) to a specific end purpose.
In conversations with my boyfriend, I generally feel like I'm at an advantage on the whole "what role does the soul play?" discussion because it's a discussion that came up in the Buffy-verse, so we (on this corner of the Internet) developed ways of thinking about it (even if show runners don't). I will admit to thinking of it as the empathy gland.
I get the sense that if you asked the SPN people, you'd get A)Lots of different answers and B)A lot of incoherent "It's a soul. It does...soul...things. Look, it's important, okay?" The best answer I think we've gotten canonically is that it's your gut, in the sense of "gut feeling". My handwavium is that, in the past, they've said "soul" when they mean "spirit" (in the sense of disembodied, complete self)
Why they don't take an official stand and deal with "soul", "spirit", and other similar issues on any show that has ghosts and monsters from the get-go, I do not know. It just seems like poor planning.
Why they don't take an official stand and deal with "soul", "spirit", and other similar issues on any show that has ghosts and monsters from the get-go, I do not know. It just seems like poor planning.
I still can't reconcile how some ghosts (spirits, whatever) can suddenly become tangible (i.e. John in AHBL II) and touch things, etc. There's not a lot of consistency to the 'verse when it comes to lore and rules for creatures, so I've decided to let it flow over me, pretty much, and go with the emotional pieces.
And the pretty boys.
I'm just going with sheer force of will and badassery, which is visible in both Mr. and Mrs. Winchester, and that's why they could affect stuff to save their kids. Just like any large emotional trauma creates poltergeists or other nasty (or not nasty--like the death omen in The Usual Suspects) spirit that lingers.
Thank you, Jim.
(Unspoilery tweeted picture above.)
I think these live in Belinda's world. They should so do a show with Belinda as the big bad.
(Picture is from Jim's picture tweets)
Why does the person HAVE to die at the end of their contract?
Maybe the answer will become more clear when Sam is eventualy re-souled. But my first reaction is Because. My second slightly more articulate response is that a desouled body is pain-free, worry-free, angst-free, as seen in Sam. That's not fun for evil Hellions. Hence death of the body.
I wonder now if Sam will come together with absolutely no memory of Hell, since his "conciousness" was never there. I'm sure I could spout nonsense revolving around the mind-body problem, but I've forgotten most of Philosophy 101, and my grasp of the subject was always nebulous.
