Don't kill anyone if you don't have to. We're here to make a deal.

Mal ,'Serenity'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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Morgana - Oct 15, 2010 4:55:09 pm PDT #14983 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

If you were Dean, wouldn't you hang onto a finger bone, just in case?

We don't know that he didn't.

It would be the smart thing to do, and the perfect gift for Bobby.


Juliebird - Oct 15, 2010 4:56:52 pm PDT #14984 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Hah! Sam and Dean in a tiny tiny car!


Calli - Oct 15, 2010 5:26:28 pm PDT #14985 of 30002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Wait a minute. If a demon is just a twisted spirit, and burning the bones destroys ghosts and spirits, when the boys burned John's body his spirit in hell should have been destroyed. So Alistair couldn't have tortured John for a century of hell time. That would have been about 10 months on earth, and they sure wouldn't have waited that long to put John's body on the pyre.


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 15, 2010 6:11:17 pm PDT #14986 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I suppose it could be that only souls that have become demons are decayed enough to actually be destroyed by the process. The Colt and Ruby's knife apparently do them in permanently, but we have no indication that they destroy normal restless spirits or the souls of possesion victims.


§ ita § - Oct 15, 2010 8:02:08 pm PDT #14987 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I AM SO CHEESED OFF THAT DEAN FLEW OFFSCREEN. Like, disproportionately bothered. OMG, all the fanfic handwringing about documentation and shit...and they just fly, like that when we weren't looking?

But I liked the episode--Bobby rocked, Rufus rocked harder, Crowley was fun, nice to see the sheriff back. Jensen did a decent job.

burning the bones destroys ghosts and spirits

We don't know that. Just that it releases them from our plane. When they burnt Tricia Helfer, for instance, the assumption was just that she went *somewhere*. They didn't know where. But it wasn't that she was destroyed.


P.M. Marc - Oct 15, 2010 8:31:17 pm PDT #14988 of 30002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

The Bobby and Rufus show was AWESOME.

Oh, Rufus. I think I love you bestest.

Also, Bobby totally needs to get with the Hot Sheriff Lady.


§ ita § - Oct 15, 2010 8:39:13 pm PDT #14989 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Bobby totally needs to get with the Hot Sheriff Lady.

I totally did "appropriate mourning period" math in my head. I think she's good! Work it, Singer!


Typo Boy - Oct 15, 2010 8:46:52 pm PDT #14990 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Agreed, Bobby & Rufus are awesome.

Continuity error: One of Ruby's big things was that she remembered who she was when human. She may have been lying about herself being the exception (as about almost everything) but there was never any indication she was lying about demons forgetting who they were. So all of a sudden Crowley remembers who he was in the past, but even his minions know his birth name to give away? And minion has discoverable name as well?

Second point, either continuity error, or reveal hidden in plain site: Sam suddenly insisting on keeping a deal with a demon. "He's a dick but we made a deal" is not a Winchester tradition. Sam & Dean are lying liars who lie to everybody including each other. They break promises to demons and supernatural beings all the time - and to each other. Sam tried to keep Dean from going to hell. Dean tried to bring Sam back. They don't even have to think about breaking promises to Demons. Heck Dean broke promises to Angels.

So continuity error? Or a clue about what is wrong with Sam? When Crowley says something along the lines of "I can take care of myself, Moose?" is he really saying, "Don't give away that you work for me now, asshole"?

I like that as a plot bunny, but doubt that the show is going there. Still....


Morgana - Oct 15, 2010 8:53:33 pm PDT #14991 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

OMG, all the fanfic handwringing about documentation and shit...and they just fly, like that when we weren't looking?

That was my first reaction too, when I realized we were supposed to be looking at them standing in Scotland.


§ ita § - Oct 15, 2010 8:56:14 pm PDT #14992 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't remember Ruby ever saying demons didn't remember their names. She implied she was different for remembering feeling human ("I remember what its like"), but that's entirely different. Not only was she likely lying, but Crowley clearly didn't have any leftover feelings.

I don't think that Sam being willing to keep his word counts as an error either. He's currently the more likely of the brothers to do something unpalatable like that, but last season when the stakes were higher he was willing to do shit like that too. It's minor, as far as I'm concerned. Just in line with him being detached and cold.