My phone has decided to start loading m.livejournal.com instead of livejournal.com, and by loading I mean stalling, so I couldn't finish the latest hella bleak D/C BB fic over lunch. It's a what-if-Sam-stayed-dead-at-Cold-Oak fic, and it makes The End look like happy times.

I think Matt Cohen still looks mighty fine, although with hair seems to balance out his face more, or maybe it's just the angle of the photo I looked at.

For me and Dean/Cas and Cas' sexuality, "You don't believe you deserve to be saved" (someone who gets Dean and refutes his issues) + optical coitus (intense relationship) + pretty boys (shallow)= shipping! for me. I think that's why, like perhaps ita, I like the first times and the "how do they get from here (show canon) to there (fantasy shipping)" and also why maychorian's "Better Than One" (?) gen fic is almost better than much of the slash fic out there.

One of the reasons I can ship Dean with Cas so hard is that Dean doesn't have to be healthy for Cas, and really can take years to tell him he loves him. If, like, ever. I am not interested in D/C curtainfic.

First times are GOLDEN. Issue-ridden fic is gold. Fic where either of them is overwhelmed and perhaps confused is gold. Messy shit is golden.

Cas is more than a big boy. He's an angel. He doesn't need Dean to be fair to him. Although he should. But there's so much fun room to play with before all that happens.

Take Lisa, for instance? God, no. She can't date that Dean. It's not fair. She deserves better.

Perhaps that's why I can also read Dean/Crowley and Dobby. Because there's nothing healthy about either, and I'm not invested in healthy.

But there are boundaries on the lack of health I can enjoy.

DCBB: I didn't hate Perpetual Motion, I ended up not really liking The Day the World Went Away, because of the timey-wimey bs being about perfecting a love that would have come about anyway, among other things (among them being, really? teh buttsex right off the bat?). Just started the one with the partner betrayal, and I dislike that it is Lisa as a meatsuit form of form of lack-of-agency (haven't gotten far, so I don't know if there'll be redemption from this).

I'm trying to work out how I would react in a The Day The World Went Away scenario, and I just can't do it. But share your "that's how you start out? How about a BJ?" stance. It was a bit all-in for a guy who'd been hesitant a day before.

I think I'd be less of a douche than Dean was, but perhaps not have had sex with Cas. Middle ground, baby. But it's not for Winchesters.

Which one is the partner betrayal one?

How could you not hate Perpetual Motion? You have to hate it. (wait, it's the HS AU, right, with the homophobia?) Okay, fine. I just thought it a poor example of the genre, and had little to do with the show.

Perpetual Motion was the one where Sam has DID and Cas is the therapist. I thought the repetition of Lisa being a sore point was underdeveloped, but I didn't see Dean ditching Sam (was that a different fic?), if anything it was Sam ditching Dean and forging his own way and Dean being reluctant to let him go.

TDtWWA didn't have enough of a balance between understanding that future!Cas was hurt that past!Dean didn't love him/want to have teh sex, and understanding that past!Dean hadn't reached the point where he was at the same emotional point as future!Dean. It was pretty much all "don't be mean to future!Cas!". And if any sex were to occur, I'd think something a bit more tentative, like rubbing or handjobs.

I'm with you on teh buttsecks. I don't know what it's like to be a man who hungers for another, but I think you start with exploring each other's bodies. That bugged me about Brokeback Mountain, too.

When I actually thought about it, after the sex in Brokeback Mountain, which was pretty rough and violent and totally dry, why would they go back for more? On the second viewing, it actually felt more like a rape scene, to me.

As for Missouri, beyond any meta reasons, I imagine that having a psychic, like a prophet or an angel, would make things too easy if they were around often. Doesn't mean she couldn't be around just as much as the other two, but it's also one more character to explain why they aren't turning to her aid.

that said, I'd love to see her dry no-nonsense wit again.

Oh, I got them confused. I disliked Perpetual Motion because of ethical issues. Halloo, nelly!

Which was the one with high school?

And which was the one with de-aged Uriel? I thought that was a crap D/C fic, but by the end of it, I was oddly in love with Uriel.

I thought it was entirely unreasonable of Future!Cas to need Past!Dean to fulfill Future!Dean's emotional and physical responsibilities (okay, that's a bit of a strong word, but you get where I'm going) to him. I think Past!Dean could have been a lot nicer, but Cas, he's not the guy you've been sleeping with this whole time. Back the hell off him.

I don't usually ask for less porn, but that story could have done with it dialled down. It was abrupt. I didn't buy a crescendo of lust on Dean's part that just had to be indulged.

Which was the Dean/Jimmy Dean/Cas story? I was disappointed by that one. Wandersfound is usually better than that (eta: yeah, I see I have three fics by her bookmarked). This one lacked emotion for me. It felt like I was being stepped through the motions. And you really have to sell me Dean/Jimmy. She didn't.

Have you read Reaching For The Ground yet?