grabs devils advocate hat again.
So having a woman (who Dean had sex with) turn evil/traitor and then die would be "better" than having a black angel do so?
eta: I'm really not trying to say that the show doesn't need to work on race or gender issues. I guess it's more that it's painted itself into a corner because of the patterns, and because of that I'm not sure there's a way they could have played this that wouldn't have been problematic.
Unless Castiel was the traitor, and as Fay said, that's just no.
It would involve better established motivation on her part than Uriel's speciesm, since she's already effectively regarded as a traitor by Heaven to the point of putting a kill order out for her. And I said nothing about her dying, my impression is she'd win a fight against Castiel just like she did against Uriel.
It would involve better established motivation on her part than Uriel's speciesm, since she's already effectively regarded as a traitor by Heaven to the point of putting a kill order out for her.
Fair point,
And I said nothing about her dying, my impression is she'd win a fight against Castiel just like she did against Uriel.
But if the traitor didn't die, that a) would probably end up with Castiel being dead, and b) definitely change the story arc.
b) might not be a bad thing in the end, but I still want to see where the show is going with the storyline they've created, not the one(s) I might have wanted them to create.
Has there ever been any talk about having people write in en masse between now and the time they start working on next season to say how and why the treatment of race and gender has been bothersome? Not as a protest, but more along the lines of an intervention?
There was a flurry of activity like that near the end of season 3, when the mysogyny in particular was just too over the top. A bunch of people wrote letters to the production company. It might even have made a difference: there's been a significant drop in the use of gendered slurs on the show. Of course, they still blinded and then killed Pam, the only actual human woman we've seen more than once since Bela died.
Have we seen any recurring human male characters except for Bobby?
Not since S2 with Andy and Jake, right?
Gordon and Henricksen both reappeared last year, but the former was kind of problematic.
A Sera Gamble quote from the link Fay posted:
No, you don't understand. Within an hour of this airing there are going to be little avatars of [Castiel] and there are going to be fans sites about him.
Sera really does get fandom, doesn't she?
Gordon and Henricksen both reappeared last year, but the former was kind of problematic.
Ah yes. So did the religious hunter. Silly of me to forget.
Henricksen's death actually bothered me more than Gordon's. It seemed like such a total waste.
Yeah. It wouldn't have surprised me for him to become a casualty given repeated brushes with the supernatural, but he was free and clear and then Lilith showed up to kill him (and all the other non-Winchester survivors) at the literal last minute.
