It would involve better established motivation on her part than Uriel's speciesm, since she's already effectively regarded as a traitor by Heaven to the point of putting a kill order out for her. And I said nothing about her dying, my impression is she'd win a fight against Castiel just like she did against Uriel.
I'm so evil and... skanky. And I think I'm kinda gay.
Willow ,'Storyteller'
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Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 21, 2009 7:09:10 am PDT #1449 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Lee - Mar 21, 2009 7:15:54 am PDT #1450 of 30002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
It would involve better established motivation on her part than Uriel's speciesm, since she's already effectively regarded as a traitor by Heaven to the point of putting a kill order out for her.
Fair point,
And I said nothing about her dying, my impression is she'd win a fight against Castiel just like she did against Uriel.
But if the traitor didn't die, that a) would probably end up with Castiel being dead, and b) definitely change the story arc.
b) might not be a bad thing in the end, but I still want to see where the show is going with the storyline they've created, not the one(s) I might have wanted them to create.
Consuela - Mar 21, 2009 7:29:50 am PDT #1451 of 30002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
Has there ever been any talk about having people write in en masse between now and the time they start working on next season to say how and why the treatment of race and gender has been bothersome? Not as a protest, but more along the lines of an intervention?
There was a flurry of activity like that near the end of season 3, when the mysogyny in particular was just too over the top. A bunch of people wrote letters to the production company. It might even have made a difference: there's been a significant drop in the use of gendered slurs on the show. Of course, they still blinded and then killed Pam, the only actual human woman we've seen more than once since Bela died.
Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 21, 2009 7:33:58 am PDT #1452 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Have we seen any recurring human male characters except for Bobby?
Lee - Mar 21, 2009 7:36:36 am PDT #1453 of 30002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
Not since S2 with Andy and Jake, right?
Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 21, 2009 7:46:29 am PDT #1454 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Gordon and Henricksen both reappeared last year, but the former was kind of problematic.
A Sera Gamble quote from the link Fay posted:
No, you don't understand. Within an hour of this airing there are going to be little avatars of [Castiel] and there are going to be fans sites about him.
Sera really does get fandom, doesn't she?
Lee - Mar 21, 2009 7:50:09 am PDT #1455 of 30002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
Gordon and Henricksen both reappeared last year, but the former was kind of problematic.
Ah yes. So did the religious hunter. Silly of me to forget.
Henricksen's death actually bothered me more than Gordon's. It seemed like such a total waste.
Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 21, 2009 8:54:56 am PDT #1456 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Yeah. It wouldn't have surprised me for him to become a casualty given repeated brushes with the supernatural, but he was free and clear and then Lilith showed up to kill him (and all the other non-Winchester survivors) at the literal last minute.
Marcia - Mar 21, 2009 10:12:08 am PDT #1457 of 30002
Kneel before Glod. ~Stephen Colbert
Have we seen any recurring human male characters except for Bobby?
John Winchester?
Fay - Mar 21, 2009 10:21:43 am PDT #1458 of 30002
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
So having a woman (who Dean had sex with) turn evil/traitor and then die would be "better" than having a black angel do so?
Well, I agree that that too would have been part of their pattern of crap things happening to women - but there have been A LOT of women in the show who have not turned evil and/or died, including Dean's various shags. Hell, probably most of the female characters to crop up onscreen have not turned evil and/or died. Whereas nearly all the black guys to appear on screen are dead bros walking.
I agree that it's grim and tasteless to have a misogyny versus racism competition, but I think that the show's record with representations of black men has been worse than its record with representations of women.
Plus, of course, that would have upped the Dean angst level - he'd have been partially responsible for the whole angel death spree, since it was the hot chick he'd saved who then went postal on her former co-workers. ('cause, you know, Dean doesn't already have enough angst. Heh.)