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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


§ ita § - Sep 21, 2010 2:09:56 pm PDT #13960 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The love! So much love! So little epic battle!

And the Impala!

Of brotherly love!

Stargazing and Ozzy concerts. I go fuzzy thinking of it.


Typo Boy - Sep 21, 2010 2:11:27 pm PDT #13961 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I liked it. It would have been even better if Sam & Dean had gone to hell and Bobby and Castiel had died to defeat Lucifer. But I'm willing to live with that not happening to have a season six. And, given the existence of other God's and a 'Death' as old or older than God who will reap God someday I'm taking it that this Universe's God is neither all-powerful or all-knowing - which means he is not responsible for Lucifer's fall or humanity's.


Theresa - Sep 21, 2010 2:24:16 pm PDT #13962 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

Joshua or Jacob, the gardener/Jesus in Heaven, talked about him in the all knowing traditional way. Maybe that was just unreliable narrator though.


Marcia - Sep 21, 2010 2:43:35 pm PDT #13963 of 30002
Kneel before Glod. ~Stephen Colbert

Loved Swan Song. I would have its children if I weren't menopausal.

Kripke said at Comicon that he was leaving the Chuck!God thing up to the viewers. He also said God is on Earth banging whores.

I heart Kripke.


Typo Boy - Sep 21, 2010 3:39:37 pm PDT #13964 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Well Death and the other gods told the story differently from the Gardener. So we have to choose between narraters. If the Gardener is right, God is a Dick. Which I'm OK with.


Beverly - Sep 21, 2010 4:41:46 pm PDT #13965 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I'm pretty ambivalent about Kripke. I'm grateful to him for giving us Winchesters and the Impala and Ellen and Bobby and Henriksen and Gordon, the special kids, the Roadhouse, Ash, and and and. I'm pretty sure I hate him for planning from jump to kill 'em all.

The whole "it was a test, for Sam and Dean" pisses me off enormously. I hate tests on principle. A learning experience is one thing, but being put through hellish experiences just to find out how strong/resourceful/clever you are is another. And when you come out the other side and know what level you achieved, then what? What do you do with that?

To me, without some payoff the whole saga is pointless, and from everything Krip has said, Sam as Luci and Dean as Mike in the Thrilla in Manilla was the end game. The contest was the intended payoff, and had 5.22 been the series finale, just this once, Sera, Everybody Dies! Honestly, if I'd known that going in I'd never have let myself care about these characters.

I'm not needing a happy ending, necessarily. But the inescapable destiny at the end of five years' efforts to avoid or avert it just points up the futility of following the characters and the story. If it's a foregone conclusion, then why the hell have I been watching?


sumi - Sep 21, 2010 4:48:22 pm PDT #13966 of 30002
Art Crawl!!!

CW's sneak peek #2


§ ita § - Sep 21, 2010 4:55:27 pm PDT #13967 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Sam and Dean made choices they didn't have to make. Their roles were pre-determined, but what decisions they made were not. They might both have said yes or no. God didn't make them do anything.

I don't see any inevitable futility at all. I've found it and their struggles very rewarding.


Juliebird - Sep 21, 2010 5:00:32 pm PDT #13968 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Badfic is bad. What started off as amusing (Gabriel is relegated to playing a cat, who is not appearing in this film, yay!), and then awesome what with the zombies, and possibly also excellent with the post-we-almost-died-let's-have-the-sex, but then the second part of that is -even-though-we-haven't-washed-the-zombie-gore-off-yet, and then gets more laughable and redunkulous from there. Le sigh.


Amy - Sep 21, 2010 5:00:39 pm PDT #13969 of 30002
Because books.

I have to say, I'm with ita. I don't read it the same way at all, Bev. I think, also, you might be basing too much on one line. The whole point of watching, for me, was to see what they did with the obstacles they faced, and what choices they made for what reasons, with so much at stake.