One of you is gonna fall and die, and I'm not cleaning it up!

Mal ,'War Stories'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Cass - Sep 21, 2010 2:04:20 pm PDT #13958 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I get the impression that fandom at large hated it, but I'd love to know how the viewership at large felt about it.

I only watched it live the once. I plan to rewatch this week. I think I'm a little frightened.


Laga - Sep 21, 2010 2:08:23 pm PDT #13959 of 30002
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

We just watched it again. I don't hate the episode. The only thing I don't like is Chuck being God but maybe he's more like Jesus or The Holy Ghost.


§ ita § - Sep 21, 2010 2:09:56 pm PDT #13960 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The love! So much love! So little epic battle!

And the Impala!

Of brotherly love!

Stargazing and Ozzy concerts. I go fuzzy thinking of it.


Typo Boy - Sep 21, 2010 2:11:27 pm PDT #13961 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I liked it. It would have been even better if Sam & Dean had gone to hell and Bobby and Castiel had died to defeat Lucifer. But I'm willing to live with that not happening to have a season six. And, given the existence of other God's and a 'Death' as old or older than God who will reap God someday I'm taking it that this Universe's God is neither all-powerful or all-knowing - which means he is not responsible for Lucifer's fall or humanity's.


Theresa - Sep 21, 2010 2:24:16 pm PDT #13962 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

Joshua or Jacob, the gardener/Jesus in Heaven, talked about him in the all knowing traditional way. Maybe that was just unreliable narrator though.


Marcia - Sep 21, 2010 2:43:35 pm PDT #13963 of 30002
Kneel before Glod. ~Stephen Colbert

Loved Swan Song. I would have its children if I weren't menopausal.

Kripke said at Comicon that he was leaving the Chuck!God thing up to the viewers. He also said God is on Earth banging whores.

I heart Kripke.


Typo Boy - Sep 21, 2010 3:39:37 pm PDT #13964 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Well Death and the other gods told the story differently from the Gardener. So we have to choose between narraters. If the Gardener is right, God is a Dick. Which I'm OK with.


Beverly - Sep 21, 2010 4:41:46 pm PDT #13965 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I'm pretty ambivalent about Kripke. I'm grateful to him for giving us Winchesters and the Impala and Ellen and Bobby and Henriksen and Gordon, the special kids, the Roadhouse, Ash, and and and. I'm pretty sure I hate him for planning from jump to kill 'em all.

The whole "it was a test, for Sam and Dean" pisses me off enormously. I hate tests on principle. A learning experience is one thing, but being put through hellish experiences just to find out how strong/resourceful/clever you are is another. And when you come out the other side and know what level you achieved, then what? What do you do with that?

To me, without some payoff the whole saga is pointless, and from everything Krip has said, Sam as Luci and Dean as Mike in the Thrilla in Manilla was the end game. The contest was the intended payoff, and had 5.22 been the series finale, just this once, Sera, Everybody Dies! Honestly, if I'd known that going in I'd never have let myself care about these characters.

I'm not needing a happy ending, necessarily. But the inescapable destiny at the end of five years' efforts to avoid or avert it just points up the futility of following the characters and the story. If it's a foregone conclusion, then why the hell have I been watching?


sumi - Sep 21, 2010 4:48:22 pm PDT #13966 of 30002
Art Crawl!!!

CW's sneak peek #2


§ ita § - Sep 21, 2010 4:55:27 pm PDT #13967 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Sam and Dean made choices they didn't have to make. Their roles were pre-determined, but what decisions they made were not. They might both have said yes or no. God didn't make them do anything.

I don't see any inevitable futility at all. I've found it and their struggles very rewarding.