The last crossroads demon is my favourite. The first is my second favourite.

Julie, I'll add the movie to my Netflix queue. I'm in the middle of two books and innumerable fics, so the book itself will have to wait. But then I'll try the fic out.

Anne, I loved that story. The sort that makes me sad, but in a good way.

By last, do you mean "king of" or the guy Sam talked to? Because I forgot about him, darn it.

King of. He is the last demon we saw closing a deal at the crossroads, so I thought I'd count him.

Are you guys weird? Or do I just think you're weird?

I read these first time slash fics where the guy is "This is what it's like to be penetrated and possessed and just owned by another person!"

And I'm just thinking "What? When did all those terms become equivalent?"

I realise I feel sure that most people I know don't think that way, but I could just be projecting. Is that how you're supposed to feel, according to the "natural" way of things?

Wait, why are we weird?

I don't think "being penetrated" and "being possessed" mean anywhere near the same thing.

Wait, why are we weird?

Because I've been assuming you agree with me, but it seems to come up decently commonly in fic (along with the "I only read bottom!Dean because Dean would never top because he's not that sort of a person"--WTF???). And I feel isolated in that opinion right now.

I can see that for a guy, being penetrated would be like giving something up, but because it's a boundary that's being crossed, not something inherent in the act.

It really makes me mad, actually.

And now I wonder if men are running around thinking they have conquering peen, and no one told me about it.

I think that notion is part of the romantic ideal -- giving your virginity to someone is giving this essential part of yourself, blah blah.

I ... have different ideas about it, but every way I can think to explain them seems way too TMI. For the board, anyway.

because it's a boundary that's being crossed, not something inherent in the act.

I think that's been true culturally for a while now, but I'd venture to say it hasn't always been the truth.

Dean not being a top is patently stupid. I mean, not that I can't see him as a bottom, because I can, but maybe it's just that I hate to think male gay relationships don't have a sort of "your turn today, my turn tomorrow" parity. Maybe that's part of *my* ideal, that men together aren't pigeonholed into giver or taker roles so strictly.

Honestly, as far as I've been informed, some people just like doing some stuff, and that dictates what happens in bed. It doesn't have to be a big sexual politics mapping of their personality.

Just because Dean has well-honed maternal instincts doesn't mean he can't either top or Dom, for crying out loud. What is that?

I mean, maybe you only like taking. But that doesn't have to be saying something deep about your personality, or something that's readily apparent to people who are never going to see you naked. It's just what you like in the sack. Between you and your partners.

It's just what you like in the sack. Between you and your partners.

Exactly.

I think more than the maternal thing, I can see Dean wanting a dom to take some of that weight off his shoulders, to be able to let go and be taken care of, but for the most part I don't really see either Sam or Dean as really invested in a strict BDSM relationship.

And come on. Dean likes to fuck. We know this.

Now I'm paranoid that there are guys out there who think they've owned me.

Then again, I know there are guys out there who really wanted me to own them...

I'm not sure why this is upsetting me so much today. Just one of those things that throws me out of otherwise good smut. And then makes me wonder at my lack of comprehension of the world at large--like the assertion that women like slash because het romance is inherently power-slanted. Have I just been missing that?

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