River: I didn't think you'd come for me. Simon: Well, you're a dummy.

'Serenity'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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JenP - Mar 13, 2009 10:16:58 am PDT #1292 of 30002

Hee! That's awesome, Matt.


Typo Boy - Mar 13, 2009 10:30:14 am PDT #1293 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

You know, it occurs to me that there huge symmetries between Dean and Ruby. (They don't apply if she has a secret evil agenda bound in nun skin. But assuming she is actually on the side of stopping Lilith, then she and Dean have a lot in common.) In fact the fate of Ruby and Dean may be linked.

Both went through the process that turn a human soul into a demon. Dean kept most or maybe all of his humanity because an angel rescued him while he still remembered who he was; he did not go through the whole process. I suspect the step he did take of turning from torturer to tortured was a critical one. Ruby went through the whole process, while somehow continuing to remember her human past, and deciding to fight rather than aid other demons.

Yes there are huge differences. Dean went to hell for altruistic reason, where Ruby made a deal for selfish ones. It took 30 hell years to break Dean, whereas I suspect Ruby took the opportunity for making someone other than herself the victim as soon as it was offered.

Angels have very rigid definition. (See "Angels are dicks".) I suspect that by their definition, Dean is a demon. Maybe that was what Tessa was hinting at.

Now Ruby went to hell and became a demon a lot more willingly than Dean. But she also turned against hell, and tried to help human kind with a whole lot less hope that she had anything to gain. She never thought she was being given a second chance.

So it strikes me that at the end, any judgment that sends Ruby to hell will probably send Dean there as well. Any judgment that redeems Dean will redeem Ruby as well. I have to use weasel words, because there are really big difference between their cases. But maybe the difference is not as big as Dean would assume. If they are both demons you even have the symmetry that both are possessing corpses rather than live people. The corpse Dean is possessing just happens to be his own.


Theresa - Mar 13, 2009 12:13:04 pm PDT #1294 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

It was. She was cursing Bobby for introducing her to them in the first place, not this job in particular.

Right, but it was Castiel!Bobby that called her for this particular job which then resulted in her death. Had she not been dying, she wouldn't have been doing the cursing and might have resented Bobby for her blindness, but not wished him damnation for all eternity. The last straw for her was getting killed (wuss), and she mistakenly thinks Bobby called her for it.

Dean wins it all! Yay! Everybody lives!


Ailleann - Mar 13, 2009 12:15:12 pm PDT #1295 of 30002
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

The last straw for her was getting killed (wuss)

Not to be a punk, but YEAH! Come one, one stab in the gut and she's a goner? Come ON.


Toddson - Mar 13, 2009 12:17:09 pm PDT #1296 of 30002
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

This is getting to be like the old days with Buffy - what? you've only died ONCE?


Wolfram - Mar 13, 2009 12:21:54 pm PDT #1297 of 30002
Visilurking

Right, but it was Castiel!Bobby that called her for this particular job which then resulted in her death.

I may be mis-remembering, but I thought she blamed Bobby for introducing her to they boys, and they were the ones who called her for this job. Castiel!Bobby called the boys about the job and gave them the info they needed about the seal.


Emily - Mar 13, 2009 12:24:38 pm PDT #1298 of 30002
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

I'm with Wolfram.

Did anybody else think, "So call an AMBULANCE already!!!"?


Wolfram - Mar 13, 2009 12:30:29 pm PDT #1299 of 30002
Visilurking

Yup. Maybe after 10 days of nobody dying, the EMTs were off on a bender.


tiggy - Mar 13, 2009 1:13:43 pm PDT #1300 of 30002
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

[link] - freaking awesome fanmade promo vid.


Lee - Mar 13, 2009 1:19:52 pm PDT #1301 of 30002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Did any one else think that the reason Sam didn't do call is that Pamela needed to be next to Dean's body in order to bring his ghost back?