JP at least looks proportional. Too many tall guys, even athletic ones, have that overly wide shoulders/overly thin hips thing that I don't like going on. ("Swimmer's build" is not a plus to me; if you're over 6' "linebacker's build" works much better IMHO.)

Short men tend to strike me as hotter, on average.

if you're over 6' "linebacker's build" works much better IMHO.)

This too.

The tall guy who set things off for me was a skinny geek for most of our acquaintance, and he looked decent. Then he started cycling avidly, and hummina. But still not linebacker proprtions, though not wide shoulders.

Johann, from krav, is about 6'4, and is textbook "Oh, now that's pleasant!" for me at that height, although he does bulk up to bigger sometimes.

JP's definitely an outlier for how weak that big makes me.

Oh, he's lovely, ita.

I actually prefer swimmer's build to linebacker build. Well, no, I actually like baseball-player build best, which is usually nicely toned but overly muscled, without that too-broad shoulder thing going on.

Linebackers always look overly-testosteroned to me.

Basketball player build for me, thanks. I like it when they look long. Buncha sexy freaks.

Johann is SPN worthy.

Crap, I meant to say *not* overly muscled.

I like the basketball player build, too. I also very much enjoyed watching JP play basketball in Changing Channels. ::nods::

Johann does definitely look to be wearing the height well.

Thought: what is the rest of fandom's reaction to Lisa post 5x22? The non-D/C contingent, that is. Is she just hated all around because, either way, she's taking Dean from Sam and/or Cas? Are there good Dean/Lisa fics out there? I don't mean curtain fic, I mean legitamately dealing with Dean's issues regarding Sam's imprisonment in Hell and Lisa being a single mom taking in an almost-stranger with issues.

I really liked bluealbino's DCBB. The big bad being a cute pussy cat almost made me larf and larf, in a fannish-meta way.

I also want to drunkenly post a Do Not Want Meme to all the DC communities to stop the madness. His nickname is not an issue, at all! Zachariah is not integral to the character of Cas to include as a family member! Cas is not a wilting flower! There should be a new category for tags called "I just wanted to write porn and wanted you in this fandom to read it, but it really has nothing to do with the characters or the overall story at all!". Like how gropedbyanangel now has subcategory tags for it's au, the kink tags should have a subcategory of, like, "unnecessary" or "fandom abuse".

Are there good Dean/Lisa fics out there? I don't mean curtain fic, I mean legitamately dealing with Dean's issues regarding Sam's imprisonment in Hell and Lisa being a single mom taking in an almost-stranger with issues.

I read one that was so dead-on it almost made me cry. Just perfect characterizations all the way around. But it ended in Wincest, mostly of the emotional variety rather than porn, but it was there. Excellent story, though.

I like Lisa a lot. I think she's got enough motivation to take Dean in after he saved Ben and she learned what he does for, well, not a living, but. I think she's spunky and independent and sexy and a good mom. I *don't* think she and Dean would last, really, because they don't know each other well enough, and he's far too broken.

I agree with ita, though, that the setup is not good for Ben. Kids get attached (or don't, actually, really resentfully), but in this case I think Ben would adore Dean. And that's not fair to him. I'm not sure she would expect a big True Lurve, but I think it would be easy to fantasize about *fixing* him, mending his broken heart, blah blah.

And that way lies disaster, for her and Ben, anyway.