but I am Mal's bitch.

And I? Am Erin's.

I know which SPN character I'd categorize as such, just wondering what you think.

Sounds like John Winchester to me.

Don't take me wrong: I think Dean is awesome, but John isn't nearly as conscious of his manhood as Dean is, which is in many ways more attractive.

Don't take me wrong: I think Dean is awesome, but John isn't nearly as conscious of his manhood as Dean is, which is in many ways more attractive.

That is very well put. For some reason, it makes me think of John as we saw him in 'Home.'

but I am Mal's bitch.

And I? Am Erin's.

I'm juliana's.

Don't take me wrong: I think Dean is awesome, but John isn't nearly as conscious of his manhood as Dean is, which is in many ways more attractive

This is very well put, and I agree. I was trying to read bonny's mind. Dean is very attractive, but give him about 10 more years, and the sexy might make my brain explode.

EDIT: And yay! I have a bitch!!

Are we daisy-chaining? This make me Cindy's? I'm good with that.

It really sounded like John to me, too. At least a John who hadn't bunkered down the last twenty years.

The man's man who interests me accepts and expects a woman to take care of herself--and him, if he needs it. And likewise to accept a hand if she needs it. A partner, with her own skills that hopefully mesh with his to make them a more effective unit. No crybabying, not from either of them. Each of them pulling their own weight, and more at times, when necessary. Adults, I guess is what I'm saying. Of course a man's man deserves, and most of the time wants, a woman who knows who she is and isn't afraid to be herself, without all the girly games. And John would seem to fit that description.

Dean's getting there, but he's not there yet. Sam still wants to be the SNAG white knight, I think. ETA: Or still thinks that's what he needs to be. Underneath the cultured SNAGiness, he's probably a man's man with a heavy dominant streak, coupled with that impulse to white knightery. Sam would want a pretty princess, but one who knew how to use a variety of weapons as well as enjoy bubble baths and pedicures.

Sensitive New Age Guy. The kind who will brew you tea to help with your menses. And who will use that word. And who will expect accolade upon accolade (and possible fellatio, though he'd never ask you, he'd just hint) for the simple act of brewing the tea.

Perfect. Absolutely perfect.

Sam still wants to be the SNAG white knight, I think

I dunno. Banging Ruby doesn't sound like something a SNAG would do. First and second season Sam, sure. Now? He's been down too many dark roads. He needs an Ellen his own age. (NOT Jo.)

I'll take Dean, if no one else does. I can at least use him for a sex toy on the side. Or a friend with benefits. I've always found that the manly men are thin on the ground. Better to take what you can get, just be aware of the disclaimers and never, never take it serious.

Just because...we hear the phrase "man's man" all the time.

Is there such a thing as a "woman's woman?" Or are the ideas that go into that too wildly divergent? I thought of this when Bev wrote Sam would want a pretty princess, but one who knew how to use a variety of weapons as well as enjoy bubble baths and pedicures.

A man's man is a fairly simple topic, yes? But a woman's woman...can there really be agreement? To keep it (slightly) on topic, are there any "women's women" in the SPN verse?

Ellen. Pamela.

Tamara wasn't, for all she and her hubby were a team--they had large, big holes that weren't covered in that partnership, and a good team doesn't.

Sarah was on her way to it, I think. With a little work, she'd make it. Under the fashion and the makeup there was a good strong sense of self, a competence, and an adaptability a woman's woman has to have.

Okay. It's a term I think Consuela, or possibly Nutty, coined: competence kink. I think in order to be classified as a man's man or a woman's woman, an individual has to be competent. With some things it takes practice, but the attitude, the belief in one's ability--that's adult.