But if God decides who goes to Heaven and who doesn't, why would he keep Sam out? As of AHBL, he hadn't chosen to drink demon blood.
Dean is the king of broyay intimacy. Bless him.
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§ ita § - Jul 22, 2010 8:13:10 am PDT #12074 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Amy - Jul 22, 2010 8:18:43 am PDT #12075 of 30002
Because books.
Oh, I meant the demon blood from babyhood.
§ ita § - Jul 22, 2010 8:28:42 am PDT #12076 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I know--but God's been a good guy. Which is why I said "chosen." I can see him being damned for the sin of pride when he decided that the only way to save the world was to drink it, but having it dripped into his mouth as a baby? Kinda cruel barrier to the Elysian fields.
Calli - Jul 22, 2010 8:31:09 am PDT #12077 of 30002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
I meant the demon blood from babyhood.
And here's a biology question to shelve next to the theology one. When Sam's spleen broke down his old blood cells, what happened to the demon blood? Is it spleen resistant? Or would the demon blood cells be broken down like all the others? And if broken down, what happens to any elements particular to its demonic nature? Did Sam end up with a demon spleen? (And would "Demon Spleen" make a good death metal band name?) Would the demonic end up circulating through the lymphatic system, like a really non-Hodgkin's lymphoma?
Could I over-think this any more?
Calli - Jul 22, 2010 8:32:32 am PDT #12078 of 30002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
having it dripped into his mouth as a baby? Kinda cruel barrier to the Elysian fields.
Some branches of Christianity have suggested that unbaptized infants end up in hell, so this approach to damnation wouldn't be unheard-of.
Amy - Jul 22, 2010 8:36:42 am PDT #12079 of 30002
Because books.
I'm only playing with the idea for fic purposes, remember. I'm not sure God would deny Sam heaven at all, but it's hard to make it all work in my head when Sam and Dean's "chosen" status makes Azazel's last man standing plan really dumb.
Although I guess for *his* purposes, if not for Lucifer's, it made sense to have a spare for the heir.
§ ita § - Jul 22, 2010 8:42:57 am PDT #12080 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
this approach to damnation wouldn't be unheard-of.
But it doesn't gibe with the Godness in Show we've seen so far, if he's the one making the call. Joshua gave me the impression that it was Him that was making the decision to resurrect them each time they died, and that He was responsible for their sojourns in Heaven each time, not Zackie-pooh.
Amy - Jul 22, 2010 8:49:25 am PDT #12081 of 30002
Because books.
He was responsible for their sojourns in Heaven each time, not Zackie-pooh.
So you think Zachariah just horned in on their last trip, and decided to use it to his advantage?
§ ita § - Jul 22, 2010 8:52:26 am PDT #12082 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
So you think Zachariah just horned in on their last trip, and decided to use it to his advantage?
Yeah. You think Zach brought them to Heaven each time and wiped their memories?
Amy - Jul 22, 2010 8:55:48 am PDT #12083 of 30002
Because books.
You think Zach brought them to Heaven each time and wiped their memories?
No! But how many times were they there?
If Sam went during AHBL, then ... I don't know who would have wiped his memory, unless that was part of the package the demon offered.
When was Dean ever in heaven aside from Dark Side of the Moon?
The writers should have made a bible for these details and stuck with it, is what.