Anya: It's lovely! I wish it was mine! Oh like you weren't all thinking the same thing. Giles: I'm fairly certain I wasn't.

'The Killer In Me'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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Amy - Jul 13, 2010 1:28:02 pm PDT #11802 of 30002
Because books.

Ooh, I'll read that, thanks.

Also, you have email about the other, since I didn't want to go into detail here.

And Dead Language has a surprisingly satisfying ending. I didn't feel at all cheated, in other words -- everything that happened felt not only earned but natural. I think what happened to Sam with Lucifer, if he did survive it, would cause enormous trauma, so it sort of struck me as something I wondered why I'd never seen before.


lcat - Jul 13, 2010 1:40:04 pm PDT #11803 of 30002
I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night.

Amy, for Dead Language, what I was drawing from was

the point in the story where Dean was in the snow with a broken leg and Sam stood on the porch - Dean realized that the person he saved wasn't Sam because Sam would have helped him

and then again

when Dean learned that all of the memories were faked, he mourned the loss of his brother again

so, as the story progressed,

it seemed that Dean accepted this Sam as a person separate from his brother Sam

It was such a compelling story with complex characters that I think there are a number of ways to interpret the resolution and I guess I haven't really settled on one yet.


Amy - Jul 13, 2010 1:43:57 pm PDT #11804 of 30002
Because books.

It is complex! Which is part of why it's so good. And I agree -- I think you could interpret Dean's perspective the way you did.


Morgana - Jul 13, 2010 3:14:34 pm PDT #11805 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

I finally managed to read the two stories ita linked yesterday (the cute story and its angsty remix) and I don't think the remix hit me the same way it hit you. (Except maybe Amy, who said:

Especially the end! That ... really came out of nowhere.
Because I can see that maybe I wasn't in the correct frame of mind while I read the story, but what I took from it was Sam was deeply unhappy and had seen nothing but unsuccessful relationships his entire life. For the past year or so he'd been watching Dean continue to fuck his way through the hunter community, which was devastating Castiel. Despite the fact that both Sam and Dean had told Castiel that that was precisely how Dean was going to behave. So Castiel was unhappy, Dean got exactly what he wanted but he was unhappy too, and Sam was depressed watching them be unhappy. So somehow the sum total of all of Dean and Castiel's dysfunction convinced Sam to say yes to Lucifer? I just kept staring at the screen thinking why? It didn't make any kind of sense to me. One thing didn't connect at all to the other. I'm willing to accept that I may have missed some kind of nuance, but as it is the story was effective for me up until the last line.


§ ita § - Jul 13, 2010 3:26:09 pm PDT #11806 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think the transition was Ruby and Lucifer presenting himself as Ruby. Oh, and their father. I think Sam gave up on himself and his family.

Yes, that's a very big step to take, it involving more than just the three of you. So while Dean was living a self-fulfilling prophecy and Castiel should have known what was coming, I think Sam figured there was no helping him. It was a bit of a jump, but I didn't think it was as huge as you did. Major depressive episode.


Amy - Jul 13, 2010 3:48:24 pm PDT #11807 of 30002
Because books.

That's exactly what I was thinking, Morgana. I wasn't connecting the dots, and I think it was because she didn't set that up well enough from the start.


Juliebird - Jul 14, 2010 2:24:36 am PDT #11808 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

zombie fic, D/C (haven't read it yet) [link] "Last One Out Hits the Lights"


Juliebird - Jul 14, 2010 2:51:51 am PDT #11809 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

This fic is so WRONG! [link]

"The Angelic Guide to Dream Interpretation"


§ ita § - Jul 14, 2010 5:35:02 am PDT #11810 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I read the clex BB, and eh. Weird. Maybe everything was explained in the bit I skipped, but I doubt it was enough to explain the strange deviations from canon. The initial premise that John and Mary remembered wasn't enough to support the accelerated timeline of the other stuff, and what was up with Sam having seizures? Did he even get fed demon blood? What was with the extra kids at Cold Oak? Why bother? It seemed like it went more AU than just that one point, and although I'm a big AU junkie, I was more looking for an exploration of ramifications of one point in time, not a much larger what if.

And the incest did seem quite pasted on, if it was that skippable. Sam makes only an offhand reference to it afterwards. Though Dean was appropriately obsessed, it seemed fairly brotherly.

I almost liked the Mary, but she did get a bit excessively competent during her pregnancy.


Amy - Jul 14, 2010 5:37:05 am PDT #11811 of 30002
Because books.

That's what I thought -- the concept was too big for the author, and she sort of fumbled and clunked through it. It could have been a decent story, I think, but it really wasn't.