Sam was willing to sacrifice a virgin in Jus In Bello. He's that guy.
Hey, hey, hey -- she volunteered to go under the knife, remember.
Saffron: You won't tell anyone about me breaking down? Mal: I won't. Saffron: Then I won't tell anyone how easily I got your gun out of your holster. Mal: I'll take that as a kindness.
'Trash'
Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?
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Morgana - Jun 22, 2010 6:21:02 pm PDT #11078 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber
§ ita § - Jun 22, 2010 6:37:14 pm PDT #11079 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
It's still a pretty hard core choice to make. He's obviously not needing everything to be fluffy puppies and rainbows in order to get good done, from long time.
Amy - Jun 22, 2010 6:56:52 pm PDT #11080 of 30002
Because books.
I also think Sam was willing to do it before she offered, though.
Sam became the end game player, and Dean started seeing more shades of gray as the series progressed.
Morgana - Jun 22, 2010 7:00:22 pm PDT #11081 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber
Oh no, particularly ever since they were facing down Dean's yearlong deadline, he became brutally pragmatic.
Cass - Jun 22, 2010 7:30:27 pm PDT #11082 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
I'm terribly shades of gray. I think that if you can sacrifice one to save many, it's a valid choice. Especially because if you try to be ethically above it all and not consider it, usually a whole lot more people die. Including your virgin.
Yeah, I loathed Bela. It was just bad writing and plotting. I would like there to be more awesome women on the show though.
Laga - Jun 22, 2010 7:36:43 pm PDT #11083 of 30002
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few... or the one.
§ ita § - Jun 22, 2010 7:55:08 pm PDT #11084 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'm not judging Sam's choice--just saying that asking Gabriel's help is little considering virgin sacrifice was palatable to him before the end of the world was on the line. However, it's still a far cry from him sitting down and sharing a brew with him. It's just what needs to be done to win the war.
Marcia - Jun 23, 2010 1:34:38 am PDT #11085 of 30002
Kneel before Glod. ~Stephen Colbert
For ita: [link]
Juliebird - Jun 23, 2010 2:22:06 am PDT #11086 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
Beautiful, quiet, heartbreaking D/C fic, "By a Thread" [link]
ehab - Jun 23, 2010 3:53:05 am PDT #11087 of 30002
...all my words have been taken by my work. - Mala
I think Jus in Bello was remarkable (for this show) for presenting an ethical dilemma with no 'right' answer.
I mean I *know* the right answer for me but it interests me that there are equally emphatically correct answers that are not mine. This show does does not usually pull off presenting the moral subtleties so well. Kudos to Sera.