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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - Jun 22, 2010 10:43:12 am PDT #11067 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Changing Channels worked for me not just because of the funny, but I also thought it was highly well executed.

And I probably think Mystery Spot is a lot less funny than you did--the bit where they speak in unison is about it, and only half of that. I find it a miserable gutwrenching episode.


Amy - Jun 22, 2010 10:47:24 am PDT #11068 of 30002
Because books.

Sam's frustration and bewilderment worked for laughs pretty well for me, and Dean's ridiculous cartoon deaths. I mean, by the time Sam figured out it was the trickster, his situation was getting upsetting, yes, but I think I took the early deaths the way Gabriel probably intended them, since you know he was off somewhere chortling.

And Changing Channels wasn't just funny for me, either, especially in the end, but like I said -- painful! Painful choices!


§ ita § - Jun 22, 2010 10:51:21 am PDT #11069 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't think I ever felt for Sam as hard as I did during Mystery Spot. Certainly not up until that point. JP had me in his pocket the whole way through. I was just flabbergasted. And then, when Dean died on the Wednesday? Oy. It was all over. DeadInside!Sam just killed me daid. Justified his behaviour in S4 almost entirely. It was wrong, but emotionally? I totally got it. He was willing to maybe kill Bobby. What's a little demon blood?

So, yeah, Sam/Gabriel is firmly crack for me, until maybe when I snap and read Black Swans.


Amy - Jun 22, 2010 11:11:30 am PDT #11070 of 30002
Because books.

Yeah, Sam/Gabriel is not a pairing I understand no matter what changed later on, like in Hammer of the Gods. I don't think Sam's forgiving him for Mystery Spot, well, ever.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 22, 2010 5:21:01 pm PDT #11071 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I happened across "Changing Channels" (which should also known as "The One Where Dean Goes from Kinsey Zero to Kinsey One, or maybe Two") while looking for "It's a Terrible Life" tonight. Dean's still holding a murderous grudge against the Trickster, and it's Sam who's pushing for teaming up with him and letting bygones be bygones.


Amy - Jun 22, 2010 5:26:02 pm PDT #11072 of 30002
Because books.

which should also known as "The One Where Dean Goes from Kinsey Zero to Kinsey One, or maybe Two"

Why specifically in that ep, Matt?

I know Sam does, more than once, want to *work* with Gabriel. Sam being pragmatic and using any means to the end he wants is just ... Sam, I think.

But having sex with him? Falling in love with him? That I can't see.


DebetEsse - Jun 22, 2010 5:27:36 pm PDT #11073 of 30002
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I think Matt is referring to the cowboy boots comment.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 22, 2010 5:30:19 pm PDT #11074 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Or his reaction to Steve Bacic's character in general. I have a feeling if Sam hadn't gotten them out of that scenario by performing impromptu surgery, Dean might have by jumping Dr. Sexy in a storage closet.


Amy - Jun 22, 2010 5:43:17 pm PDT #11075 of 30002
Because books.

Oh crap, I completely forgot about the Dr. Sexy stuff. Duh.


Cass - Jun 22, 2010 6:03:41 pm PDT #11076 of 30002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Dean's still holding a murderous grudge against the Trickster, and it's Sam who's pushing for teaming up with him and letting bygones be bygones.

I think I still feel betrayed that Bela shot Sam and then la la la things were fine between her and the boys.

Clearly they (or the writers) forgive more easily than I do.