Same can be said of John, seriously. He was motivated by Mary, not the boys.

I didn't even know you were keeping up with Fringe! Awesome.

I think the difference, for me, is in terms of collateral damage. Which ... I'm not sure how to explain what I mean without spoilers, and this isn't the right thread anyway. But you're right in the sense that John's vengeance was completely selfish and motivated by grief, too.

(And I will argue way more here than anywhere else because I can trust people to realize that we can all love the show and see it differently. Plus sometimes I can argue the logic of one side or another without being emotionally committed to said side.)

That's why I stay here, warm and safe and cozy. And run my mouth.

Even if they'd been raised by somebody else, Sam still would have died in "All Hell Breaks Loose". But Dean might not have known about the crossroads.

Can we be careful of the fringe spoilers ? I am only partway through season 1, and want to cat h up this summer.

Thanks.

I was pleased that both lists gave Ben Sisko due props for being the best father in the Star Trek cannon.

Sorry, Perkins!

Even if they'd been raised by somebody else, Sam still would have died in "All Hell Breaks Loose".

I don't think that's true. I think an eventual destiny overrides the steps taken to get there.

Sam dying wasn't actually Azazel's plan in the first place, and if Lucifer and the rest of the angels are to be believed, he was always going to end up in Detroit, giving Lucifer a metaphysical piggyback ride.

I feel like I imagine those poor folks did in the threads after the season 5 finale when everyone was comparing the Impala to the yellow crayon and moderators were yelling that they had to stop doing that, since not everyone had seen Buffy (and for God's sake, who hasn't seen Buffy? I've got it on TV as I type this). I don't watch Fringe so all of these comparisons between John and Walter are whooshing right over my head. But I've already argued my viewpoint about John here (I believe he loved his boys, I also believe he was not a good father; I know that this is not necessarily the popular viewpoint in these parts), so I won't drag it out again.

Truth was, at nine, Dean knew more about how to protect them than some kindly neighbor lady.

And now I have this lonely little fic bunny of WeeChesters being babysat by a I'm so dark and spooky! I dabble in the occult! teenager. Hijinks ensue. Someone write this for me.

OMG. If Dean is going to spend the fic pining that he used to be banging Sam and John isn't it fair to warn a reader, even if it doesn't seem they even appear in this fic? Warn for offscreen Wincest seems polite? He better screw the living daylights out of Krycek, IJS.

Technically, I think the past season of Fringe is legal with whitefont in this thread, so if there are specific shows you don't want detailed here, make sure you ask so it doesn't happen again. But I do think it should be officially quantified.

If Dean is going to spend the fic pining that he used to be banging Sam and Johnm isn't it fair to warn a reader, even if it doesn't seem they even appear in this fic? Warn for offscreen Wincest seems polite?

Seriously? What is wrong with people? Yes, I think if you are pining for past incest, it's worth a warning. Really, what is wrong with people? I won't judge them for writing it but failure to acknowledge that not everyone will want to read it. I judge a lot and harshly.

I read the headers a million times to be sure I wasn't missing anything, and there's no mention. She's not even being subtextual in the story. Dean's pretty much trying to get over Sam, and then he mentions some stuff about John that has me all "Him? Too? Seriously?" But what's read cannot be unread. I'm hoping he's now over the issues, and we can go onto slashy casefile with less incest freaking nostalgia.

Dude. I know it's SPN. But warn a bitch. It's like how slash doesn't have to be sex. Incest doesn't have to be a sex scene right there to creep me out.