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Natter 62: The 62nd Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Barb - Dec 30, 2008 3:30:16 am PST #8509 of 10002
“Not dead yet!”

Right? With the hanging with and healing the downtrodden, and busting the Pharisees, and putting up with the apostles' being generally annoying and bickering among themselves about which one of them was the greatest (srsly? I'm not surprised Jesus went up on the Mount of Olives to get a break from them).

Catechism class would've been so much more fun with Steph in it. I used to get in trouble with the nuns questioning stuff like this.


Steph L. - Dec 30, 2008 3:38:01 am PST #8510 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I love that Chuck Mangione is on KOTH. I wonder why they picked him.

Because saving money feeeeels soooo goooood.

I used to get in trouble with the nuns questioning stuff like this.

Oh, me too. Actually, a lot of my interpretation of the bible comes from the Freak-Ass Church. They're a very odd lot -- heavily bible-based, with a very strong emphasis on studying the nuances of the original languages the books were written in, as well as the historical/social/cultural context, and yet *rigidly* literal in their interpretation -- and with a sense of humor about the things that are, frankly, funny.

Like the prophet Elisha calling bears to maul the shit out of 2 kids who mocked him for -- IIRC -- having a big bushy beard. Because, WTF is that?


Calli - Dec 30, 2008 3:47:11 am PST #8511 of 10002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Like the prophet Elisha calling bears to maul the shit out of 2 kids who mocked him for -- IIRC -- having a big bushy beard.

I think they were mocking his bald head. Which makes the bears totally justifiable, of course.

ETA: It occurs to me that if Elisha had called in the bears, killed one with his bare (sorry) hands, and turned its fur into a cunning head piece, it would have made a pretty cool story. And the kids would probably have stopped with the mockage, because Elisha still = hardcore.


Steph L. - Dec 30, 2008 3:52:28 am PST #8512 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Oh, that's right -- his bald head!

Why was I thinking beard? Possibly Jeff Bridges in Iron Man.


billytea - Dec 30, 2008 3:57:35 am PST #8513 of 10002
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

And the kids would probably have stopped with the mockage, because Elisha still = hardcore.

You totally know he made some quip about having to grin and 'bear' it, sounding suspiciously like McBain.


Kat - Dec 30, 2008 4:00:57 am PST #8514 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Shir, I'm sorry about your job loss.


tommyrot - Dec 30, 2008 4:30:38 am PST #8515 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

There's a new Vanity Fair article on the Bush years - her's a preview of it....

Ex-aides say Bush never recovered from Katrina

WASHINGTON — Hurricane Katrina not only pulverized the Gulf Coast in 2005, it knocked the bully pulpit out from under President George W. Bush, according to two former advisers who spoke candidly about the political impact of the government's poor handling of the natural disaster.

"Katrina to me was the tipping point," said Matthew Dowd, Bush's pollster and chief strategist for the 2004 presidential campaign. "The president broke his bond with the public. Once that bond was broken, he no longer had the capacity to talk to the American public. State of the Union addresses? It didn't matter. Legislative initiatives? It didn't matter. P.R.? It didn't matter. Travel? It didn't matter."

Dan Bartlett, former White House communications director and later counselor to the president, said: "Politically, it was the final nail in the coffin."

...

Lawrence Wilkerson, top aide and later chief of staff to former Secretary of State Colin Powell, said that as a new president, Bush was like Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee whom critics said lacked knowledge about foreign affairs. When Bush first came into office, he was surrounded by experienced advisers like Vice President Dick Cheney and Powell, who Wilkerson said ended up playing damage control for the president.

"It allowed everybody to believe that this Sarah Palin-like president _ because, let's face it, that's what he was _ was going to be protected by this national-security elite, tested in the cauldrons of fire," Wilkerson said, adding that he considered Cheney probably the "most astute, bureaucratic entrepreneur" he'd ever met.

Now they tell us. (But of course, back then no one knew who Palin was, so they lacked the basis of comparison.)


beekaytee - Dec 30, 2008 4:39:59 am PST #8516 of 10002
Compassionately intolerant

Oh Jen, what a drag. Wallet losing is so unsettling. As previously reported, the last time I lost mine, I highly recommend including something that looks like a minister's id in your wallet. There is no other reason I got mine back last time with all card intact and no fishy business. No cash of course, but that was my own damn fault.

Thanks for the wiki link Steph. I'm loving Chuck more every minute.

As for Katrina doing Shrub in...I honestly believe that administration was never righted (no pun intended) after 9/11.


Fred Pete - Dec 30, 2008 4:52:40 am PST #8517 of 10002
Ann, that's a ferret.

"Katrina to me was the tipping point," said Matthew Dowd, Bush's pollster and chief strategist for the 2004 presidential campaign. "The president broke his bond with the public. Once that bond was broken, he no longer had the capacity to talk to the American public. State of the Union addresses? It didn't matter. Legislative initiatives? It didn't matter. P.R.? It didn't matter. Travel? It didn't matter."

I wouldn't call it "breaking a bond," but I agree that Katrina was a tipping point. It wasn't so much a lack of capacity to talk to the American public -- more that, after Katrina, America no longer wanted to hear what he had to say.


Barb - Dec 30, 2008 5:15:45 am PST #8518 of 10002
“Not dead yet!”

Puppy picspam. [link]

This is how they're currently sitting. By my desk. My foot is under there somewhere.