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'Out Of Gas'


Natter 62: The 62nd Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Dec 29, 2008 10:59:32 am PST #8374 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Yesterday I had lunch with Miriam at a Thai place, and she had some sort of mushroom salad. But she couldn't find any mushrooms in it. Eventually we noticed that the "noodles" in the salad had these little things on the end that looked like mushroom caps. They kinda' tasted like mushrooms too. Anyone know what these are?


Steph L. - Dec 29, 2008 11:01:54 am PST #8375 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

An anger-inducing article: HEART DISEASE IN WOMEN: A LIFE-AND-DEATH GENDER GAP

Some stats, and lots of anecdotes of women with heart disease whose symptoms were misdiagnosed, overlooked, ignored, etc.

That's not news. (I'm not pooh-poohing you for posting the link, tommyrot; I'm just boggling at the idea that it's "news" that medicine is extremely gendered.)


amych - Dec 29, 2008 11:02:02 am PST #8376 of 10002
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

tommyrot, those sound like enoki mushrooms, or something closely related to 'em. [link]


tommyrot - Dec 29, 2008 11:04:35 am PST #8377 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I'm not pooh-poohing you for posting the link, tommyrot; I'm just boggling at the idea that it's "news" that medicine is extremely gendered.

Yeah, I'm hoping maybe the article could be forwarded to those who need to read it.


tommyrot - Dec 29, 2008 11:05:25 am PST #8378 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

tommyrot, those sound like enoki mushrooms, or something closely related to 'em.

Yeah, that's what they looked like.

We'd never seen mushrooms like that before.


Jessica - Dec 29, 2008 11:08:41 am PST #8379 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

WANT! (Jilli, if you're around, you must click the clicky link. Assuming you don't own these already.)

[eta: I'm especially fond of this one]

Yeah, I'm hoping maybe the article could be forwarded to those who need to read it.

theman@establishment.com?


Steph L. - Dec 29, 2008 11:14:54 am PST #8380 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I'm not pooh-poohing you for posting the link, tommyrot; I'm just boggling at the idea that it's "news" that medicine is extremely gendered.

Yeah, I'm hoping maybe the article could be forwarded to those who need to read it.

I, more than anyone I know (except my brother) have BIG HONKING heart disease risk factors. What I hate -- and what terrifies me -- is that reading about warning signs of a heart attack is so goddamn vague.

"Unusual" fatigue? Seriously, how do I quantify that? I'm tired all the time.
Sleep disturbance? I take Ambien for insomnia -- what KIND of "sleep disturbance" am I looking for?
Chest discomfort? Um. Can you define "discomfort"? Seriously. I have discomfort in about 5 different body parts right now.
"Weakness"? OH MY GOD PEOPLE.

I guess my problem -- and this is probably just VERY specific to how my brain processes things, how I learn -- is that I really really REALLY need SPECIFIC examples of what these symptoms look like.

I absolutely understand that no 2 patients are the same, and so the symptoms will never manifest in exactly the same way in any 2 given patients. What Suzie Cardiac experiences might not be what I experience. I understand and accept that.

But still, with the understanding that the symptoms can manifest in an array of ways, ANY clarification would help me. Anything at all, to just narrow it down.

I figure I'm a walking cardiac time bomb, but if you tell me to "know the symptoms" and then tell me "sleep disturbance," all you're going to do is freak my shit out and make me worry that every little thing means a heart attack.

It scares the crap out of me, which I've maybe never admitted before. And so I want to know what should legitimately send me to an ER and what's just plain old fatigue, you know?


Jessica - Dec 29, 2008 11:21:42 am PST #8381 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

What I hate -- and what terrifies me -- is that reading about warning signs of a heart attack is so goddamn vague.

Not to mention the vast majority of those are also symptoms of just about EVERYTHING. So if you're experiencing fatigue and indigestion, you may be having a heart attack, or you may have just eaten Thanksgiving dinner.

(Lists like this are why DH is not allowed to Google for medical symptoms when he's feeling unwell. Hypochondria and the intertubes are unmixy things.)


Steph L. - Dec 29, 2008 11:25:25 am PST #8382 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

So if you're experiencing fatigue and indigestion, you may be having a heart attack, or you may have just eaten Thanksgiving dinner.

And if you happen to really be having a heart attack but ALSO did just eat Thanksgiving dinner, then you might assume it's just the turkey. Because nothing ever exists in a vaccum. I have fatigue, sometimes worse than others. I also don't sleep enough, which I attribute the fatigue to. Which is probably right, UNLESS I just happen to ALSO be having a heart attack.

My dad described it as feeling like an elephant was sitting on his chest (unfuckingbelievably heavy pressure as well as extreme difficulty breathing). So I figure I'd recognize that. But, because I'm a woman, I might never have that symptom, but only have the weird-ass vague "sleep disturbances."

If it has to happen, I'd rather have the elephant feeling, because that seems fairly goddamn clear-cut.


Shir - Dec 29, 2008 11:43:33 am PST #8383 of 10002
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

(x-posted with Bitches)

So. I checked the map and the roads.

No way to go back to my parents that's not via rocket launching zones or the West Bank.

There's like zero chance a rocket's gonna hit the bus in the two hours I have on it and the waiting for another bus to take me home in Be'er Sheva, right?

(Forgive me for no reporting tonight. More dead, more wounded... it seems pointless, somehow).