We didn't have sex, if that's what you mean. That's all I do now, not have sex.

Anya ,'Dirty Girls'


Natter 62: The 62nd Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Trudy Booth - Dec 23, 2008 9:24:38 am PST #7672 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

NO CILANTRO IN THE LATKES

Unless you're a Mexican Jew. What? I know some.

That may be so but the marriage exists within the larger culture, separate from what it means to you personally. You are married, and you have a husband and those aspects of your public self are acknowledged as such within the community.

If we made it all MARRIAGE tomorrow the bulk of the people in the community who reject gay marriage would continue to do so. That would be, in large part, how it would exist in the larger culture.

Which is why I'd rather see Civil Partnerships with the same rights and responsibilities (like in the UK) now, and quibble about semantics later. Hell, I'd cheerfully allow my het marriage (non-religious) to be defined as such if it meant that my friends and family could have the same damn rights with one simple license.

And in 15-20 years when the bulk of the people who object to gay marriage have all died you have a couple of simple court cases and bing-bang-boom, its all marriage.

Logistically, I thought that was a better way to fight this fight. You don't end up with DOMA battles popping up all the fuck over the place for the next two decades. You don't have a bunch of laws to weed out before you can proceed once the time has passed.

And those older folks... I think my Uncle is a fairly typical representative. He thinks people should be together, be protected legally, get to have a big ol' ceremony and do what every their heart's desire. "Just don't call it marriage." He's set in his ways. He knows that. He (and anyone like him) are unlikely to put up a fuss against civil unions. The serious bigots aren't going to be able to rally those troops.

But the die has been cast, the battle is joined and its for Full Marriage, Right Now. So I'm in.

ION, my office caff has latkes. I am eating them right now. They have applesauce. I guess our Cuban chef was feeling German.


Jesse - Dec 23, 2008 9:28:19 am PST #7673 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Ha! I got everything in my suitcase + purse. I just hope the ornaments don't get crushed too badly.


tommyrot - Dec 23, 2008 9:36:33 am PST #7674 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

The Biblical case against Santa: Santa Clause: The Great Imposter

The short version: Santa is Satanic.

Where does Santa Claus fit in the life of a young child? What about the teaching of Santa Claus in the psyche of a child? Is there more to jolly old St. Nick than meets the eye? Is Santa a clever, seemingly harmless, subtle (see Genesis 3:1) attempt to question the truthfulness of God? Is Santa the handiwork of Satan?

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The Devil is a master of disguise. He can make it appear good, pleasant, and seemingly so innocent – and yet it is deadly! The Bible says in 2 Corinthians 11:14, "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light" He does not appear with horns and a pitch fork breathing fire. He might just appear as a pleasant, friendly, fellow, with "a broad face and a round little belly, That shook when he laughed, like a bowl full of jelly. . ."

Could Santa Claus be a subtle, clever attack on our children to confuse, doubt and rob their God-ordained "child like" faith? Satan knows, if he can somehow get that child through those fruitful early years without trusting the Lord Jesus Christ – his goal of eternal damnation in hell increases substantially.

There's a shitload more, for your amusement.

In 1994, the satire magazine The Onion carried a parody of Santa Claus titled "Ho! Ho! Ho! I Am God". Even though, it was written as a blasphemous parody much truth rings from the article. The article says:

"I love visiting each and every one of your homes, stuffing your stockings with toys, and enjoying the milk and cookies you leave for me. But mostly I love Christmas because it's the celebration of the birth of my son, Jesus the Christ. You see, I'm God. . . Don't I look familiar? I'm old, I have a white beard, I love everyone. I'm the same God as the one you and your mommy and daddy worship on Sundays. . .

Okay, I admit it. I'm not God. But I'm better than God. I'm jollier, and I give you real toys, not boring old psalms and empty promises you can only collect on when you die. Worship me, not Him! Worship Santa! I am God!"

(Santa Claus, "Ho! Ho! Ho! I Am God!" The Onion, 29 Nov. - 5 Dec., 1994, p. 7)

And that is EXACTLY the message being preached to these little children! And they believe it!


Shir - Dec 23, 2008 9:38:35 am PST #7675 of 10002
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

MILITARY TRUISMS AND HUMOR

Which reminds me the following story, from the time I was in training for the Disengagement plan.

So, they took a lot of female soldiers for this. And there were few of us from each unit, and we didn't know each other, and we trained in groups that weren't the same as the units we came from. On day 2 or 3 of the training program, we tired to remind one of the girls from one of the other units we trained with the name of one of the girls from my unit. The dialog went as following:

Us: short, delicate...
Her: No idea.
Us: Black hair, glasses...
Her: Nope.
One of us: Oh, for the love of God. You kicked and dragged her on the asphalt yesterday and she called you "slut!".
Her: Oh! Now I remember!


SailAweigh - Dec 23, 2008 9:41:02 am PST #7676 of 10002
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

::snort:: That's priceless, Shir.


DavidS - Dec 23, 2008 9:41:41 am PST #7677 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Ple, Slate reviews the NewsRadio box set.


Shir - Dec 23, 2008 9:44:16 am PST #7678 of 10002
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

Oh, I might as well throw some context into it: we did simulations for evacuation itself, preparing for the worst case scenario.

Or: how I learned to evacuate people using mild force. I can be useful in demonstrations.


Barb - Dec 23, 2008 9:53:59 am PST #7679 of 10002
“Not dead yet!”

Unless you're a Mexican Jew. What? I know some.

Indeed-- here's one of my favorites. Nice boy by the name of Erick Elías.

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P.M. Marc - Dec 23, 2008 10:12:45 am PST #7680 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Ple, Slate reviews the NewsRadio box set.

Aww. Man, I loved that show so much. I wonder if the box set has a better transfer than the DVDs we already own (it's the worst-looking DVD on our HD set by a lot).

I even have occasional nostalgia for the ill-fated 5th season.


DavidS - Dec 23, 2008 10:14:37 am PST #7681 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

The space station episode of NewsRadio was one of the all time WTF gambits in sitcom history.

Do you know your emotions? The Elevation to Disgust spectrum.

Sorry to be all Slate dump-y. But you should all check out the Pervert's Grand Tour of Europe too. (This section is actually only about Venice and Casanova but it's very interesting.)