Can a pardon precede a conviction?
Gwen: Demon, OK? The whole nine—cloven feet and horns and teeth. He wasn't wearing lamé though. Lorne: Yeah, the evil ones can't pull it off. It gets camp.
'Harm's Way'
Natter 62: The 62nd Natter
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
aurelia - Dec 19, 2008 9:39:16 am PST #7038 of 10002
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
amych - Dec 19, 2008 9:40:58 am PST #7039 of 10002
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
Can a pardon precede a conviction?
It worked for Nixon.
Sparky1 - Dec 19, 2008 9:45:21 am PST #7040 of 10002
Librarian Warlord
Can a pardon precede a conviction?
Yes. What can't happen: The President can't give you a pardon for an offense you haven't yet committed.
Tom Scola - Dec 19, 2008 9:46:51 am PST #7041 of 10002
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
If people are pardoned, then they wouldn't be subject to the Fifth Amendment, and therefore could be compelled to testify under oath, right?
aurelia - Dec 19, 2008 9:50:40 am PST #7042 of 10002
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
Hm. Interesting.
Calli - Dec 19, 2008 9:50:58 am PST #7043 of 10002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
Tonight: grocery shopping and wrapping
Tomorrow: baking and wrapping
Sunday: party and probably more baking
Which reminds me, I need to pick up Pillsbury pie crusts when I go shopping tonight.
Holy moly, a wasp the size of my middle finger just flew into my office window! Where's a good ice storm when you need it?
Sue - Dec 19, 2008 9:51:43 am PST #7044 of 10002
hip deep in pie
Weekend, watch Christmas Story with people who have never seen it. Get lobster.
Tomorrow: run around like a chicken with my head cut off. FLy home. Sunday: Possibly collapse.
Relatedly, I seem to have deleted the email with all my flight information, which is making trying to make plans for tomorrow difficult, since I don't know which of two possible flights is the one I'm booked on! I have a copy at home, so I am not in a total panic, but I am tried and annoyed at myself.
Sparky1 - Dec 19, 2008 9:54:12 am PST #7045 of 10002
Librarian Warlord
they wouldn't be subject to the Fifth Amendment, and therefore could be compelled to testify under oath, right?
Watch them hide under claims of "national security" and "classified information."
Burrell - Dec 19, 2008 9:54:34 am PST #7046 of 10002
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
Intellectually and politically, it makes sense. (And actually, I think it makes it more, rather than less, likely that we'll see efforts to get rid of DADT and DOMA in the coming year.)
I tend to agree.
I think the choice was extremely tone deaf, and I do kinda worry about what Warren will say in that context, but I don't think it was a big fuck you to the gay community, just as attending Rev Wright's church for however many years wasn't any kind of fuck you to white Americans.
I also expect that Obama's presidency will have more than a few moments like this in it. I'm just hoping they will be offset by actual policy.
Fred Pete - Dec 19, 2008 9:58:42 am PST #7047 of 10002
Ann, that's a ferret.
I'm just hoping they will be offset by actual policy.
This is the reason I'm not furious. Warren is symbolic and not substantive.