The whole earth may be sucked into Hell, and you want my help 'cause your girlfriend's a big ho?

Buffy ,'Chosen'


Natter 62: The 62nd Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Kathy A - Dec 08, 2008 10:54:12 am PST #4894 of 10002
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

It looks like the Chicago company whose workers are on a sitdown strike due to no notice of the company shutting down are getting a boost not only from Obama, who's supporting them, but also the state of Illinois, who has shut down any business with Bank of America until they give the company a line of credit to pay severance to the workers.


brenda m - Dec 08, 2008 11:26:13 am PST #4895 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Damn. The times they are a changin'.


Dana - Dec 08, 2008 11:27:25 am PST #4896 of 10002
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Jesse, sadly, your reminder to work came after I had already fallen asleep.

I don't actually feel great. I hope I'm not getting sick. The timing would be very bad.


Hil R. - Dec 08, 2008 11:28:21 am PST #4897 of 10002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

OK, this is weird. Something I read today reminded me of a TV movie we watched in high school, The Wave, about a high school teacher who'd done an experiment on his class with creating a "movement" to show them how ordinary Germans could get caught up in Nazism. I vaguely remembered that it was based on a true story. I googled for more info.

I ended up on this page. [link] It starts out with debunking parts of the story -- a few details that don't add up, the number of students involved seems bigger than it should be, and so on. I keep reading. Some scans of the school newspaper from the time -- kind of interesting. And then I read some more, and realize that he's just skating the edge of Holocaust denial. (He acknowledges concentration camps, seems iffy on the gas chambers, and doesn't mention the Final Solution.) Pretty much implies that, since the teacher (who wrote the only in-depth account of what happened) is part Jewish, of course he's a liar.

Then he veers into a rant about the war on drugs for a paragraph or so. And then goes off on something about evolving into a state of "ultraintelligence," part of which will require "redesigning our cells."

It's an interesting read, as he slowly goes from stuff that makes sense, to stuff that sort of makes sense, to stuff that makes no sense, to utter nonsense.


Kathy A - Dec 08, 2008 11:30:23 am PST #4898 of 10002
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

The book The Wave is still being read in schools--we sold a bunch of copies over the summer since it was on a local school's summer reading list.

I remember seeing that Afterschool Special when it was first aired; it really freaked me out!


Hil R. - Dec 08, 2008 11:32:35 am PST #4899 of 10002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

And reading further down the page, I see that he does deny the gas chambers. Also pretty much claims that Jews control wikipedia.


Jesse - Dec 08, 2008 11:35:07 am PST #4900 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Jews control all of the internets, don't they?

I don't actually feel great. I hope I'm not getting sick.

If you're me, randomly falling asleep is a sure sign of getting sick. But it can also be a way to avoid it!


Jesse - Dec 08, 2008 11:43:39 am PST #4901 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I ended up on this page. [link] It starts out with debunking parts of the story -- a few details that don't add up, the number of students involved seems bigger than it should be, and so on. I keep reading.

I just skimmed from the top, and off the bat, he seems to be wondering why people think teaching Nazism would be a bad thing.


Beverly - Dec 08, 2008 11:43:53 am PST #4902 of 10002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

No sick for Dana!

How about the epic battle between were-dinos and vampire dinos? That would be an almost unparalleled opportunity for bad CGI.

I have this sudden urge to watch Underworld...


Burrell - Dec 08, 2008 12:11:46 pm PST #4903 of 10002
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Fascinating, Hil. He seems to be deeply confused in many ways, but what strikes me most are two things. First I am a bit boggled that he finds a great deal of similarity between yoga and Nazism. But what really gets me is his whole argument that mental discipline doesn't lead to killing Jews. It's so completely wrongheaded that it's hard to actually get in there and point out what's wrong with it without giving yourself a headache.