Lorne: You know what they say about people who need people. Connor: They're the luckiest people in the world. Lorne: You been sneaking peeks at my Streisand collection again, Kiddo? Connor: Just kinda popped out.

'Time Bomb'


Natter 62: The 62nd Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Hil R. - Nov 16, 2008 6:20:27 pm PST #1735 of 10002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Hee. At CTY a few years ago Quidditch was one of the most popular afternoon activities. (Schedule at CTY is class from about 9-3, then two afternoon activities, dinner, and then an hour or two of study hall. Afternoon activities are sometimes sports, sometimes rehearsals for various theatre and music stuff, and usually at least one "silent reading" or "cloud-watching" activity for the kids who need a bit of a break from people.)


shrift - Nov 16, 2008 6:25:08 pm PST #1736 of 10002
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

ION, do folks know there's a brand-new Star Wars/Robot Chicken on tonight?

My TiVo doesn't think so. I hope it's not wrong.


tommyrot - Nov 16, 2008 6:26:53 pm PST #1737 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Huh. I just told my TiVo to record it.


Trudy Booth - Nov 16, 2008 6:34:02 pm PST #1738 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

It seems like the problem may be that there's a whole lot of nothing in between the choice between giving them up or getting no help for them at all.

Several years ago in NJ two teenagers killed a pizza delivery man in what was described as a "thrill kill". My Mom worked a counseling agency in the county where it happened. One of the kids' Mother had been trying to get help for him for YEARS. Literall, frantically, desperately telling anyone who would listen that he was going to do something terrible if they couldn't get him some help. Can you imagine knowing that about your 14 year old boy, fighting for years, and then being right? It was a horror.

And there may be parents using Nebraska as a dumping area for kids that they just don't want to raise anymore. But if someone's willing to drive from another state to get rid of their kid, I don't know how great it would be for the kid to be raised by them. Being raised by someone who considers kids a burden can suck even if they are willing to stick it out.

At least they drive them to Nebraska. That's a step above the parents who just walk out on their kids. So many "runaways" are really throwaways.

Noah also got to ride a trike on the trike track. So cute. Until he exhausted himself into sleep.

At which point he was MIND NUMBINGLY cute?

As bad as they could be, orphanages really can serve a purpose and I hate that our society just stopped them altogether and have so few things around like the Methodist homes and Boys ranches.

We (and I'm not sure if that's "Americans" or "humans") have a nasty habit of discarding something wholesale when it has problems. When the "primarily residence home" model for every child abandoned by or yanked from their parents (often for reasons we'd now be appalled by) had serious problems we dropped it completely in favor of what evolved into foster-care -- which was never big enough from the start. Then they sort of accidentally created group homes (which were anemic temporary boys homes) and never made enough of them. Now we have a situation where in many states if a ward of the state can't be accomodated (often teenagers)they get sent to juvenile detention until a spot can be found. So if you're a homeless kid you get sent to jail. Very very Oliver Twist work house, you know?

The idea behind getting rid of the big mental institutions and orphanages, which had too often served as not much more than warehouses, was that they would be replaced by community-based facilities. They did the first part, but never got around to the second. Homelessness and a highly dysfunctional foster system are not really an improvement.

Yeah, that.


shrift - Nov 16, 2008 6:36:06 pm PST #1739 of 10002
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

I think it may indeed be new, tommyrot. I'd best school my TiVo.


brenda m - Nov 16, 2008 6:39:45 pm PST #1740 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

There was a case ten years or so back where a kid was in juvie for two weeks and the parents packed up and moved to another state. But he was a violent, out of control teenager who was like 6"4, 280 and the parents were living in actual fear for their lives. And again, had been literally begging for help from social services, from the police and finding absolutely nothing.

They were found a couple of weeks later, IIRC, and I can't remember what the resolution was. Horrifying on all counts, really.


Hil R. - Nov 16, 2008 6:46:20 pm PST #1741 of 10002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

There was another case in NJ several years ago where a 15-year-old boy killed an 11-year-old boy. The 15-year-old had been been in and out of institutions a few times, plus was involved in a police sting operation (a middle-aged man he'd met online had raped him, and the police were using him as bait to trap the guy, and the kid eventually got fed up with this, decided that the guy cared more about him than the police did, and ripped all the recording stuff off his phone), and his parents had told a judge, basically, "We don't know what to do with this kid, we can't do any more to help him, please help us," and the judge essentially told them to take him home and be better parents. A few weeks later, he killed the younger boy.


Hil R. - Nov 16, 2008 6:59:48 pm PST #1742 of 10002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Article in Time about the Nebraska law says the majority of the kids are older than 13 and have a history of being treated for psychiatric disorders.


DavidS - Nov 16, 2008 7:01:50 pm PST #1743 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

College level quidditch. People scare me: [link]

I like how they finessed the Snitch.

I'm telling you the Harry Potter theme park is going to outsell Disneyland by a large margin.


tommyrot - Nov 16, 2008 7:02:54 pm PST #1744 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Star Robot Chicken Wars was good. Some episodes were OK, and some had me laughing hysterically.

Now they're showing the first one again....