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Natter 62: The 62nd Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


msbelle - Nov 16, 2008 1:22:10 pm PST #1652 of 10002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

We were in similar colors (orange) but they were not the same. Didn't love the pics, but got enough to give as gifts and cards. $80 worth with a coupon.


Jesse - Nov 16, 2008 1:22:12 pm PST #1653 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Phew. Because I'm pretty sure I'm expected at work tomorrow.

Damn, bonny. I'm sorry you grew up in such a shitstorm.


beekaytee - Nov 16, 2008 1:27:09 pm PST #1654 of 10002
Compassionately intolerant

Damn, bonny. I'm sorry you grew up in such a shitstorm.

Bless you, but I'm totally okay. The thing that really got me about this whole deal is that I was upset about this news story with absolutely no conscious awareness of its connection to my experience.

I wondered why my response to it was so strong, but it took speaking it out loud and getting push-back here that I really dug up the truth about what I was feeling.

My clients get that 'what's underneath this' question all the time but, today, it got turned within.

Interesting.


Calli - Nov 16, 2008 1:27:23 pm PST #1655 of 10002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

So, while I was casting around looking for an answer to how we can, as a society, be of greater use to kids with parents who do not want them, what I should have been saying was, I wish a system like that had been in place for me.

I wish it had been in place for you, too, bonny. As well as for the kids who need it today.


msbelle - Nov 16, 2008 1:55:26 pm PST #1656 of 10002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

The system sucks hard for kids. As bad as they could be, orphanages really can serve a purpose and I hate that our society just stopped them altogether and have so few things around like the Methodist homes and Boys ranches.


Jesse - Nov 16, 2008 1:55:33 pm PST #1657 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

OK, now I'm watching the finale of the West Wing, and is it really true that they actually have the movers at the White House during the inauguration ceremonies?? That's bananas. I mean, I guess it makes sense -- you can't kick out the sitting President, and he's in until the minute he's out, but still.


beekaytee - Nov 16, 2008 2:04:20 pm PST #1658 of 10002
Compassionately intolerant

The system sucks hard for kids. As bad as they could be, orphanages really can serve a purpose and I hate that our society just stopped them altogether and have so few things around like the Methodist homes and Boys ranches.

So exactly true.

The pendulum swing away from institutionalization of any kind has not turned out to be much better. Homeless vets and cast off kids. Unfortunate by-products of deregulation.

I'm not an advocate of snake pits, by any means, but the lack of social support for outliers seems to be reaching epic proportions.


brenda m - Nov 16, 2008 2:16:29 pm PST #1659 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Hopefully all this Nebraska stuff might serve as something of a wake-up call that there are so many families out there who are desperate for some sort of solution, that those middle areas really don't exist for most people.


Cashmere - Nov 16, 2008 2:31:48 pm PST #1660 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.

bonny, I have the same sort of reactions to news like this. I'm currently obsessed with the Caylee Anthony story from a personal history perspective.

My eldest sister would frequently abandon my niece with my parents while I was growing up. She lived with a succession of losers (one of whom abused my niece). At one point, my other sister got custody of my niece while her mom spent over a year in Texas. When K came back, D didn't have the heart to fight her over custody of my niece so she gave her back.

I have hot-button reactions to news stories like this--I can usually track down the emotional reasons but it takes some hard introspection.


Ginger - Nov 16, 2008 2:38:45 pm PST #1661 of 10002
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

The idea behind getting rid of the big mental institutions and orphanages, which had too often served as not much more than warehouses, was that they would be replaced by community-based facilities. They did the first part, but never got around to the second. Homelessness and a highly dysfunctional foster system are not really an improvement.