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Natter 62: The 62nd Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


beekaytee - Nov 16, 2008 9:20:10 am PST #1614 of 10002
Compassionately intolerant

he was either going to have to turn the kid into the criminal justice system OR pay for treatment on his own, which wasn't possible on his salary -- nothing useful inbetween.

The inbetween is what I'm thinking about. No real idea what it would look like. But say you have either the kid who is unmanageable or the parent who isn't sound...that kids need to be helped, regardless. If not, society ends up footing the bill anyway. Why not have a solution that doesn't end up being the worst case scenario.

I'm really sorry to throw a thought and then bolt, but I have to run.


Calli - Nov 16, 2008 9:24:49 am PST #1615 of 10002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

And there may be parents using Nebraska as a dumping area for kids that they just don't want to raise anymore. But if someone's willing to drive from another state to get rid of their kid, I don't know how great it would be for the kid to be raised by them. Being raised by someone who considers kids a burden can suck even if they are willing to stick it out.


Connie Neil - Nov 16, 2008 10:07:48 am PST #1616 of 10002
brillig

if someone's willing to drive from another state to get rid of their kid, I don't know how great it would be for the kid to be raised by them

That's waht I've been thinking, "this persion should not have custody of another human being, kudos for them for realizing it and making some effort to getting the kid to some sort of better situation." Even if the parent is thinking, "damn kids, I'd rather be sitting around drinking beer than taking care of them, I know, road trip to Nebraska." Some people just aren't going to straighten themselves out, and there shouldn't be dependents around to suffer for it.


sarameg - Nov 16, 2008 10:31:09 am PST #1617 of 10002

And some may be doing it because it is the only way the kids get the help they need. Not because they are bad parents, but because they've exhausted everything they can do, through no failing of their own. There was a TAL focusing on something like that.

I've a friend who is pretty much...well, they've done everything. Used everything they can get their hands on and they've had to work their asses off to get those resources, even fighting the system that is supposed to be helping them. And now, they're in this horrid cycle of courts and juvie and drama. Until the kid hits 18, or straightens out, this will probably continue. It's all that has been left available to them. Short of a private residential center, which they can in no way swing and is no guarantee...that's all that is left.


msbelle - Nov 16, 2008 11:08:25 am PST #1618 of 10002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Omg I was not prepared for the craziness that is the JCPenny portrait studio. They are running an hour behind. There are mobs of families, no room in the waiting area. Oy


Kat - Nov 16, 2008 11:09:18 am PST #1619 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I'm sitting with Sparky and Sarameg. I don't think I have enough info to really make a judgment about the law or the people. I do know, as a middle school and high school teacher, that I have seen how hard it is to parent some kids and how little help there is to make sure a parent knows what to do. I cannot tell you how many parent-conferences I have had where people say, "I don't know what to do with _____. What should I do?"

And, as a person who uses state-funded programs for both of my kids, I cannot begin to express the sheer frustration, difficult and heartbreak there is in getting the system to respond to your kid's needs. The amount of paper I work I do, the phone calls I have to make, the millions of visits, previsits, insurance papers I have to file is almost a full time job.

Anyhow. Clearly a hot button issue for me. Even without enough info.

We took Noah to Kidspace today (burrell, I got your message after. It would have been a terrible day for you to come because of the smoke, which is headache inducing) because K's class had to go there. He had so much fun. So much that he even melted down in a way that I had never seen before because the sensory stimulation was too much, too much, too much. Poor noodle.


Sophia Brooks - Nov 16, 2008 11:16:55 am PST #1620 of 10002
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

oh no msbelle!

I need buffistas medical advice. I did something to my hip getting on the bus with my cart. I think it might be sciatic nerve related because it radiates down my leg. But now I can't really move or bend-- heat or ice?


Gadget_Girl - Nov 16, 2008 11:19:58 am PST #1621 of 10002
Just call me "Siouxsie Shunshine".

I do know, as a middle school and high school teacher, that I have seen how hard it is to parent some kids and how little help there is to make sure a parent knows what to do. I cannot tell you how many parent-conferences I have had where people say, "I don't know what to do with _____. What should I do?"

Exactly.

What is also difficult is the child stuck in a home where they are blamed for all the problems and the parent regularly tells them they would 'get rid of them if they could,' or that the only reason the child is still in the house is because the law forces the parent to keep them.

This last week I tried, again, to help for one of my students and was told, again, that verbal abuse isn't considered abuse. I was also told that not taking care of a childs medical needs isn't abuse, either.


Ginger - Nov 16, 2008 11:21:11 am PST #1622 of 10002
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

How long ago, Sophia?


Kat - Nov 16, 2008 11:23:06 am PST #1623 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Sophia:

* A cold pack or ice application can reduce inflammation and numb sore tissue, alleviating some of the pain in the sciatic nerve. This should be used initially when pain is sharp and intense, usually for 2 to 7 days, depending on the severity of the pain.
* Heat dilates blood vessels, increasing the flow of oxygen and nutrients to the area, which assists in healing. Applying heat also stimulates sensory receptors in the skin, so the brain focuses less on the pain of sciatica. This is best used after the acute, sharp pain has subsided, typically 3 to 7 days after the start of the condition.