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beekaytee - Jan 28, 2009 12:19:25 pm PST #9443 of 10000
Compassionately intolerant

"do you treat your friends the way you treat me?"

"My friends don't ask me questions like that or question whether or not I care about them." (At this point, silence becomes your friend. What's she got to push back against?)

Years ago, I had a boss who spoke to me like that. Seriously, not even a family member. One day, I turned around and without any anger said,"You know, when people in my family said stuff like that to me, they meant it. I sure hope you don't." And I walked away.

She was completely gobsmacked and dramatically reduced the insults. Later, I realized that the shitty dialog was the way her family connected. They belittled each other for lack of any better tool. This realization didn't make me like it any better, but it totally took the personal onus off of it. "OH!" I said to my self,"That's just what she does. Hmm. Must suck to be her."


Ginger - Jan 28, 2009 12:26:15 pm PST #9444 of 10000
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

It sounds shitty, but part of me thinks that it's unfair that she's dumping all of this on me when there are plenty of other people that she can rely on (like, my brother or her best friend).

As others have said, it *is* unfair, but family can do things to you that you'd never take from friends. My family, as you have probably noticed, consists mostly of people whom I would never spend five minutes with unless we were locked in the same holding cell. My mother is a great person in many ways, but she is a champion in the "no-win" category and a runner-up in emotional manipulation. I bless the 280 miles between us.

I wish I had some advice that worked, because I doubt that your mother really wants to become like mine, a person with years of almost no life outside her family. I think all you can do is to try to hold firmly to your own life, something I wish I had done more of. Just remember: she's the crazy one.


Sean K - Jan 28, 2009 12:52:38 pm PST #9445 of 10000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Vortex, my relationship with S became very much like that (and to some extent still is). Not that I have any good advice, but if you ever want to talk about it, my inbox is always open.


Calli - Jan 28, 2009 1:39:29 pm PST #9446 of 10000
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

part of me thinks that it's unfair that she's dumping all of this on me when there are plenty of other people that she can rely on (like, my brother or her best friend).

I'm inclined to agree with that part of you. If your mother choses to only connect with you, and then says that the connection is insufficient, she's choosing to engage in a relationship that makes her unhappy. It's not your fault that she's lost her husband, and its not your fault that she's not engaging with other people. I don't know her (or you, really), but I've watched my dad adjust to losing his wife of 48 years. He flailed around for a while getting his emotional balance back and drove me and my sister nuts for a while. And he wasn't even being a jerk about it, just needy.

Not that this provides any answers. Sorry. I hope your mother finds an emotional balance point that she and you can live with, soon.


Beverly - Jan 28, 2009 2:31:46 pm PST #9447 of 10000
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I'm nodding like a bobblehead at what everybody is saying here. First and foremost, you are not over-reacting to anything. Windsparrow's right, your mom *is* trying to change the dynamic between you, to something she feels she needs, and in doing so she is completely disregarding your needs and your feelings.

Would you accept and acquiesce to this behavior from an aquaintance? A friend? I doubt it.

She is probably not going to change, unless she has some sort of epiphany and seeks counseling. Which puts the responsibility for your mental health and how you handle the relationship squarely on you. She's probably going to act badly no matter what you do. So the best you can do is be as kind as you can manage and still retain your own equilibrium.

And I love you and I'm sorry you're going through this.


beekaytee - Jan 28, 2009 2:45:27 pm PST #9448 of 10000
Compassionately intolerant

::murmering for the hundredth time...Beverly is wise::


Amy - Jan 28, 2009 2:54:57 pm PST #9449 of 10000
Because books.

Bev is very wise.

It's a very tough position to be in -- I've watched my mom go through this with my grandmother forever. She's an only child, too, which makes it tough. I'm sorry, Vortex.


hippocampus - Jan 28, 2009 3:09:59 pm PST #9450 of 10000
not your mom's socks.

You know my hope is that Iris will battle Mal for the privilege of being Master Tigress, and I won't have to keep calling my son a gender-bending furry.

She's going for Dragon Warrior. (of course) So Tigress Mal can keep on keepin' on. At least for now.


Beverly - Jan 28, 2009 3:21:38 pm PST #9451 of 10000
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Ooh! I meant to say that I am totally and completely in love with that tattoo, Raq. I've always toyed with the idea of having one, but never found a design I thought I would be happy with forever. I outgrow things, and whatever design I love today I might be bored with after awhile.

But that? That is gorgeous and beautiful and if I ever did decide to get a tattoo, I'd certainly consider something similar.


WindSparrow - Jan 28, 2009 3:32:25 pm PST #9452 of 10000
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

But that? That is gorgeous and beautiful and if I ever did decide to get a tattoo, I'd certainly consider something similar.

Yeah, that may be the first tatoo I've ever seen that made really want the same design on myself.