Even "Indian summer" came from a slur. It's amazing the way these things become fixtures.

I once got into an argument with an Englishman about where that phrase was from and just what Indians were being referenced. We didn't even think to ponder its offensiveness or not.

OK, you people have to cut back on posting links to yummy clothes ... or I'll be forced - FORCED, I tell you - to start posting stuff I've found on my own - like this. sigh ....

At least if I remember correctly (and who knows!) it's the same general stereotype as "Indian giver" -- it's just that since we think of it as a good thing, it's a kind of weird use of a slur. Like some anti-Indian guy was thinking, "Oh yeah, and when it gets all nice when it should be getting cold instead -- just like those Indians!"

I was very suprised to find out Indian summer was supposed to be a slur. It's always seemed so evocative of slipping through the woods, taking advantage of the last good weather to gather nuts and do some hunting to lay in food for the winter. Like the previous blast of cold weather was fair warning that it's time to get serious about winter.

Wikipedia says there are three possible etymologies, and only one is the offensive one I mentioned. So, er... never mind.

t /Litella

ita, sending huge medical help vibes your way.

Hey Emily - come to Michigan for New Year's and stay with us.

I am his entire social life.

I have been down this road for most of my marriage. It's a very difficult thing to sustain, FTR. Now, of course, he's turned into a talky meat person, and I'm looking at him like, "Do I even know you?"

It's a very difficult thing to sustain, FTR.

Good gracious, yes. It's been just 3 months and I'm having a hard time. But decades?

Now, of course, he's turned into a talky meat person, and I'm looking at him like, "Do I even know you?"

Heh. I'm trying to imaging KBD chatting up the world, and failing.

Coffee and donut:

Toddson is my favorite kind of evil.