At least if I remember correctly (and who knows!) it's the same general stereotype as "Indian giver" -- it's just that since we think of it as a good thing, it's a kind of weird use of a slur. Like some anti-Indian guy was thinking, "Oh yeah, and when it gets all nice when it should be getting cold instead -- just like those Indians!"

I was very suprised to find out Indian summer was supposed to be a slur. It's always seemed so evocative of slipping through the woods, taking advantage of the last good weather to gather nuts and do some hunting to lay in food for the winter. Like the previous blast of cold weather was fair warning that it's time to get serious about winter.

Wikipedia says there are three possible etymologies, and only one is the offensive one I mentioned. So, er... never mind.

t /Litella

ita, sending huge medical help vibes your way.

Hey Emily - come to Michigan for New Year's and stay with us.

I am his entire social life.

I have been down this road for most of my marriage. It's a very difficult thing to sustain, FTR. Now, of course, he's turned into a talky meat person, and I'm looking at him like, "Do I even know you?"

It's a very difficult thing to sustain, FTR.

Good gracious, yes. It's been just 3 months and I'm having a hard time. But decades?

Now, of course, he's turned into a talky meat person, and I'm looking at him like, "Do I even know you?"

Heh. I'm trying to imaging KBD chatting up the world, and failing.

Coffee and donut:

Toddson is my favorite kind of evil.

Smonster, same problem with my housemate Charlie. I am so looking forward to moving in the Spring. We've lived together in 3 different houses and he's over time become more and more hermit-like. Now that he's retired, it's untenable.

My boyfriend is also very introverted but he does have friends with whom he gets together occasionally. I don't think I could deal with being someone's sole link to the outside world for very long. I'm sorry to hear this about KBD because so much of what you say about him sounds dandy (except the part where he didn't recycle before you met him!).

I don't think I could deal with being someone's sole link to the outside world for very long.

Man, that would drive me crazy! I wonder how people like that even find mates in the first place. I mean, they must be somewhat social to be able to attract someone?