Jayne, your mouth is talking. You might wanna look to that.

Mal ,'Serenity'


Natter 61*  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Barb - Nov 05, 2008 5:09:24 pm PST #9612 of 10001
“Not dead yet!”

The city itself is UGH and industrial (or at least, was many moons ago). I likened it sort of to a Pittsburgh or Cleveland of the south. However, north of the city is very nice.


SailAweigh - Nov 05, 2008 5:22:15 pm PST #9613 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Well, winter usually doesn't present most places at their best. And I didn't have time to explore the area; it was fast track to get to and back while on leave. I mean, I like Detroit because I have tons of relatives there, but if I was just driving by on the interstate? Not necessarily a place I'd want to stop just by its looks.


Hayden - Nov 05, 2008 5:23:29 pm PST #9614 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

Y'all don't know about the black belt? Billy, here. EDIT - link fixed, I hope.

My diehard conservative parents live near the SE corner of the state. I love that their Congressman is now Democrat Bobby Bright.

Also, I'm not used to watching Fox News eat one of its own, but this is fascinating: [link]


Burrell - Nov 05, 2008 5:26:52 pm PST #9615 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

sarameg that sounds like an awesome trip! You must go, if there's any way to swing it.

Also, is there really a Godless American PAC?

I don't know but I wouldn't be surprised.


msbelle - Nov 05, 2008 5:31:33 pm PST #9616 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

ok, so this is the third instance that I have seen of Smith where he seems not at all bad. I don't watch tv news, but is that normal, is he actually balanced?


sarameg - Nov 05, 2008 5:37:55 pm PST #9617 of 10001

B'ham is ... different. My brother lives near Trussville but works downtown. Driving from the airport to, well, anywhere, you get an acquaintance with southern poverty. He used to live in a beautiful, but crumbling, house in the old city. On the edge of gentrification, but the outside edge. The poverty and racism were laid bare there. It has it's beauty, but.

They want to leave. I won't lie about that. It isn't just their sons having accents, it is the racism laid out before them, unhidden because they are so very white. And both don't want their kids to grow accustomed to that.

I just rewatched Obama's acceptance speech. Will be puffy eyed again tomorrow. GODDAMNED. It was as lovely as I recalled. And I kinda adore the Obamas' casual affection, whether between family and husband and wife, or MIchelle stroking the hair of (I presume) Biden's granddaughters. It's just so ...normal and kind and natural.

Anyway. I've pretty much decided I WILL go to this inauguration, even if only to stare at the backs of other peoples' heads. msbelle, you should join me.


msbelle - Nov 05, 2008 5:39:47 pm PST #9618 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

yeah, I was thinking of making the trek, but I am not convinced that it won't be better to just watch it on TV.


quester - Nov 05, 2008 5:43:51 pm PST #9619 of 10001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

The puppy with the purple collar is a big trouble maker, knawing on the others and stirring them up.


sarameg - Nov 05, 2008 5:44:29 pm PST #9620 of 10001

Yeah, there's that. But I'll feed you! And extra kitten! OK, we need someone with connections...


Hayden - Nov 05, 2008 5:44:57 pm PST #9621 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

it is the racism laid out before them, unhidden because they are so very white. And both don't want their kids to grow accustomed to that.

As a native Alabaman, I'll say that's a very strong reason why we don't want to return there. I have more and more friends moving to Birmingham, emailing us that it's different, it's getting better, all that sort of stuff. But every time we're there, I hear casually racist comments all the time and feel positively Marxist when dealing with the overbearing, unthinking privilege of the rich white Mountain Brookers.

My parents lived in Trussville when they lived there, but they moved to South Alabama about six years ago.