You all gonna be here when I wake up?

Mal ,'Out Of Gas'


Natter 61*  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Hayden - Nov 05, 2008 5:44:57 pm PST #9621 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

it is the racism laid out before them, unhidden because they are so very white. And both don't want their kids to grow accustomed to that.

As a native Alabaman, I'll say that's a very strong reason why we don't want to return there. I have more and more friends moving to Birmingham, emailing us that it's different, it's getting better, all that sort of stuff. But every time we're there, I hear casually racist comments all the time and feel positively Marxist when dealing with the overbearing, unthinking privilege of the rich white Mountain Brookers.

My parents lived in Trussville when they lived there, but they moved to South Alabama about six years ago.


sarameg - Nov 05, 2008 5:57:28 pm PST #9622 of 10001

It's kinda freaky. I watched the rental dude treat me with a lot more caution than the black guy before me. And I was the cheapass! He was going all out for features and shit! Alabama has been good to my brother's family, but. Yeah, that "but." They aren't black. They've seen the shit their minority friends face in everyday life there. And the thing is, where they lived before, in TX? If you got outside city limits, it was even uglier. However, next door was the mammoth Ft. Hood and Killeen, and that made up for some of the scaryass small towns. Because even if those areas were certainly not liberal bastions, they shat upon even casual racism. They haven't really found a safezone in ALA.

I should note, I feel bad consigning a whole state to UHG. But that's been their experience.


Hayden - Nov 05, 2008 6:09:51 pm PST #9623 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

A lot of people from high school have found me on Facebook. I don't really want to revisit the feelings I had when I was growing up, but I find all these people - some former friends and some who hated my guts for reasons that have never been clear - fascinating. Most have been trumpeting how hard they spent the last few weeks praying for a McCain win. Some of the women - who, like me, are in their mid-30s - have been planning a botox party where a doctor will pitch what botox can do for them. I feel like I grew up in a foreign country that's become stranger over time.


quester - Nov 05, 2008 6:13:46 pm PST #9624 of 10001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

All the puppies escaped!


Barb - Nov 05, 2008 6:19:15 pm PST #9625 of 10001
“Not dead yet!”

NE Florida is bad enough, thanks.

I was making the point to Lewis that even though we've lived in a myriad of places, including Nashville, we've always been around university communities, our circle of friends sort of naturally evolving from that proximity.

Jacksonville is the first place we haven't had that and it's the most isolated we've been and I HATE it. It's one of the most stultifying places I've ever lived. The one saving grace is that one of my best friends who is also a liberal/left-leaning writer type who has two kids very close in age to mine, lives less than a mile away.

Thank goodness, because otherwise, y'all might see me in a clock tower.


Kat - Nov 05, 2008 6:24:26 pm PST #9626 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I totally want to go to the inauguration. I wonder if I can call Close Up to see if they need Program Instructors for just that week.


Hayden - Nov 05, 2008 6:25:56 pm PST #9627 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

NE Florida is bad enough, thanks.

You could always take up Harry Crews novels. I imagine that living in Jacksonville would make them even funnier.


Kat - Nov 05, 2008 6:26:50 pm PST #9628 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

The puppymistress is in with the puppies and they are crawling all over her. SO CUTE.


billytea - Nov 05, 2008 6:27:50 pm PST #9629 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Y'all don't know about the black belt? Billy, here. EDIT - link fixed, I hope.

Ah! Thanks for that, very interesting.

A very interesting article from The New Republic about this election as a realignment. [link]


erikaj - Nov 05, 2008 6:28:10 pm PST #9630 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Sad about Botox...women shooting for "young" and getting "God, what happened to her face?!"