Wesley: We're going to bring Angelus in alive. Connor: No we're not. Gunn: I thought you said capturing him wasn't an option. Wesley: Changed my mind. Connor: Change it back.

'Why We Fight'


Natter 61*  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Sep 24, 2008 5:40:49 pm PDT #468 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Last thing that made me smile was the taste of these lovely organic strawberries.


Lee - Sep 24, 2008 5:41:55 pm PDT #469 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Does the fact that I'm looking for pictures of Pink for you make you smile?


Strega - Sep 24, 2008 5:50:30 pm PDT #470 of 10001

Sorry, I was all DOOOOOOOM-y and then, as one does, went out to dinner and am catching up, and this'll be crazy long I bet.

Strega, why do you think things will be worse if the bailout does happen? (I'm not an expert on these things.)

I'm not either, lord knows. I've been reading a lot of increasingly depressing peak oil/econ/global warming blogs for most of the year. And every time I try to convince myself that they're overly gloomy and I shouldn't freak out, stuff they predicted 6 months ago happens. I would love it if they're just lucky, and I am freaking out when I shouldn't. But I'd rather be prepared for something that doesn't happen that be unprepared for something that does.

Anyway: this is probably the best summary -- the part I'm quoting was written last Feb:

The second part [of financial collapse] consists of men in expensive suits tossing bundles of suddenly worthless paper up in the air, ripping out their remaining hair, and (some of us might uncharitably hope) setting themselves on fire on the steps of the Federal Reserve. They, to express it in their own vernacular, "fucked up," and so this is also just as it should be.

The government response to this could be to offer some helpful homilies about "the wages of sin" and to open a few soup kitchens and flop houses in a variety of locations including Wall Street. The message would be: "You former debt addicts and gamblers, as you say, 'fucked up,' and so this will really hurt for a long time. We will never let you anywhere near big money again. Get yourselves over to the soup kitchen, and bring your own bowl, because we don't do dishes." This would result in a stable Stage 1 collapse - the Second Great Depression.

However, this is unlikely, because in the US the government happens to be debt addict and gambler number one. As individuals, we may have been as virtuous as we wished, but the government will have still run up exorbitant debts on our behalf. Every level of government, from local municipalities and authorities, which need the financial markets to finance their public works and public services, to the federal government, which relies on foreign investment to finance its endless wars, is addicted to public debt. They know they cannot stop borrowing, and so they will do anything they can to keep the game going for as long as possible.

He goes on to explain how this will lead to a commercial collapse, at which point we are so very, very boned. [link] Warning: it's not a cheerful read at all. There are other people who aren't so terrifying but it's kind of a semantic difference; they're describing the same process.

My understanding is that we, as a nation, are in debt. If we can't afford to keep buying products from other nations, our imports dry up, and then: boned. For decades our economy has been based on having lots of consumers who have cheap oil and massive debt. And now oil's not cheap and nobody will give us more credit, and we don't make much besides corn, which we've now decided to use as fuel for all our cars, and fuck.


§ ita § - Sep 24, 2008 5:50:33 pm PDT #471 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Whoo! She hot.


tommyrot - Sep 24, 2008 5:51:48 pm PDT #472 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Last thing that made me smile was the taste of these lovely organic strawberries.

My experience is the organic ones always taste way-better.

ION, I think that unless there's an October surprise, McCain is toast. Even if there is an October surprise, I think he'll lose; he just won't be as toasty.


msbelle - Sep 24, 2008 5:55:48 pm PDT #473 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

anyone know anywhere online I can get the last 15 min of Criminal Minds premiere?


tommyrot - Sep 24, 2008 5:56:27 pm PDT #474 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

He goes on to explain how this will lead to a commercial collapse, at which point we are so very, very boned.

Yeah, that seems very possible to me (I've been following the peak oil stuff for a while now too. Although it's hard to explain, peak oil has pretty much made me stop driving.)

ION, my almond shrimp is nummy, except for the celery (celery is not food).


tommyrot - Sep 24, 2008 6:02:52 pm PDT #475 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

How far behind is Comedy Central?


§ ita § - Sep 24, 2008 6:06:49 pm PDT #476 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

anyone know anywhere online I can get the last 15 min of Criminal Minds premiere?

Tried the CBS website?


Hayden - Sep 24, 2008 6:06:57 pm PDT #477 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

How far behind is Comedy Central?

They record at 5pm ET, right?