Well, if we followed the recipe...should be cake. A demon-violence-free-zone cake.

Lorne ,'Why We Fight'


Natter 61*  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Shir - Oct 07, 2008 9:05:41 pm PDT #3241 of 10001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

My one Orthodox coworker is pretty firm that McCain is "better for Israel" (I don't know what she means specifically, because I refuse to engage), so I'm sure he's just trying to shore up that opinion.

I confirm this popular, almost baseless belief.

You see, most of the people here are convinced that without state-of-the-art military experience you're incapable to lead this country. When it comes to leaders of other countries, they believe they can't understand the Israeli position without that experience, and that the other leaders may tilt towards the Palestinian POV, God forbid (see how every time Israel agrees to stop the building in the settlements, it continue doing so, and act very surprise every time its been asked to stop it).

Personally, every time people tell me they prefer McCain, I ask them if they read the candidates' platforms, listened to debates, etc.. Answer's always "no". They just "know it's true" because "that's what everyone says". I ask them who are those "everyone", and they start to stutter. Not that it's helping to change their minds, but I just love to research people's unbased (is that a word?) choices and opinions.


Barb - Oct 08, 2008 2:41:14 am PDT #3242 of 10001
“Not dead yet!”

It only took six months but I finally mistakenly grabbed my iPod thinking it was my iPhone.

Gonna be a lonnnnnng day.


Jesse - Oct 08, 2008 2:51:17 am PDT #3243 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Personally, every time people tell me they prefer McCain, I ask them if they read the candidates' platforms, listened to debates, etc.. Answer's always "no". They just "know it's true" because "that's what everyone says". I ask them who are those "everyone", and they start to stutter. Not that it's helping to change their minds, but I just love to research people's unbased (is that a word?) choices and opinions.

This is less concerning when it's people who aren't actually voting in the US election, but of course we have plenty of those people here, too.


msbelle - Oct 08, 2008 3:25:11 am PDT #3244 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Mac keeps waking up toward the end of my sleep cycle (bad dream/wet bed) and it makes my body want eleventy billion more hours of sleep.


Toddson - Oct 08, 2008 4:08:14 am PDT #3245 of 10001
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

I skipped the debate - I just don't have the stamina for them any more (it occurred to me - McCain was tortured so now he's returning the favor?).

And, for Loki.


Jessica - Oct 08, 2008 4:08:18 am PDT #3246 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

My one Orthodox coworker is pretty firm that McCain is "better for Israel" (I don't know what she means specifically, because I refuse to engage), so I'm sure he's just trying to shore up that opinion.

Very generally speaking in America, Reform Jews vote Democrat, Orthodox vote Republican, for exactly the reasons Shir outlines. (I'd say that makes Conservative Jews the swing voters, but it's such a tiny little demographic I'm not sure anyone's actually fighting for it.)

There's also the need to be Strong On Israel for the sake of that slice of the Christian right wing for whom Israel features prominently in their Rapture plans.

"You know, a lot of you remember the tragedy of 9/11."

GRRRRRR.

From what I could see on the CNN percepto-thingy, the most positive audience responses were from whichever candidate answered the question more directly. McCain's "Everything is important and priorities are for pussies!" response got no traction compared to Obama's "Energy, healthcare, entitlements in that order." And I suspect he could have put them in any order as long as he was answering the question instead of evading it. I don't know what that says in terms of actual votes, but I hope somebody from both campaigns was watching.


sumi - Oct 08, 2008 4:18:59 am PDT #3247 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Puppies!

One IRWS (6 month old pup) meets some very fluffy baby goldens.


Frankenbuddha - Oct 08, 2008 4:33:22 am PDT #3248 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Well, I know that's not Nutty, but it almost looks like a court of some kind, if not necessarily for squash: [link]


Ginger - Oct 08, 2008 4:33:31 am PDT #3249 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

unbased (is that a word?)

Baseless

You see, most of the people here are convinced that without state-of-the-art military experience you're incapable to lead this country.

The problem with this argument, which people also make here, particularly in terms of which candidate would deal better with terrorism, is that McCain has typewriter military experience in an internet world.

McCain at one point said something to the effect of "Only I have a plan that will fix this crisis." I was yelling, "Quick, tell somebody. I don't think we can wait until January."


brenda m - Oct 08, 2008 4:39:26 am PDT #3250 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

The problem with this argument, which people also make here, particularly in terms of which candidate would deal better with terrorism, is that McCain has typewriter military experience in an internet world.

The other problem being that, by all accounts, when McCain was in the military he wasn't any good. Courageous, okay. And he certainly paid a price for it. But the man went from near last in his class at the academy to having to rely on connections to force his way back into the cockpit long after it was clear he had no business in a plane. I don't mean to take away from what he did go through, but it frustrates the hell out of me that there's no qualitative component to this. There are good people in the military. There are great people in the military. There's also Gomer Pyle.