That's the thrill of living in the Hellmouth! There's a veritable cornucopia of fiends and devils and ghouls to engage ... Pardon me for finding the glass half-full.

Giles ,'Same Time, Same Place'


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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Gudanov - Oct 02, 2008 5:32:45 am PDT #1841 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

I am increasingly troubled that the focus is all on form, not on substance.

I think the polls usually show that form is more influential than substance. It's hard to avoid talking about form when you have one candidate who is a gaffe machine and another who has had trouble forming coherent answers in interviews.


hippocampus - Oct 02, 2008 5:35:30 am PDT #1842 of 10001
not your mom's socks.

It's hard to avoid talking about form when you have one candidate who is a gaffe machine and another who has had trouble forming coherent answers in interviews.

True. But I feel like a political zombie right now - wandering around shouting: "I want Brains!!! BRAIIIINNNNNNSSS!!"


brenda m - Oct 02, 2008 5:39:46 am PDT #1843 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Gwen Ifill is moderating, right? I have faith she'll ask good questions. The NYT has an editorial today with suggested questions.

You may but the right is already getting hysterical about the fact that she has a book in progress about the impact/historical significance of Obama's candidacy. The idea being that she has a conflict of interest since her book will be much more successful if he is.


tommyrot - Oct 02, 2008 5:42:09 am PDT #1844 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

The idea being that she has a conflict of interest since her book will be much more successful if he is.

Yeah, but the McCain campaign knew that (or should have known that) when they agreed to have Ifill be the moderator.


Jesse - Oct 02, 2008 5:43:45 am PDT #1845 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I just had my first experience with the magic of cell phones -- a cab driver just called me from my father's cell phone, which he had left in the cab. I gave him my parents' address, and he said he'd drop off the phone! Assuming he does that, instead of robbing my grandmother or some other awful thing, how great!


Gudanov - Oct 02, 2008 5:43:48 am PDT #1846 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

Yeah, but the McCain campaign knew that (or should have known that) when they agreed to have Ifill be the moderator.

Which is good for them. Gwen Ifill is a pro, she'll be fair, but if the debate doesn't go well for Palin, they can blame the ref.


Typo Boy - Oct 02, 2008 5:48:13 am PDT #1847 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I think she ought to bring along a backup moderator, and ask if either of the candidates objects to her being a moderator, AS THEY AGREED MONTHS AGO WHEN GWEN'S BOOK WAS ALREADY ANNOUNCED THROUGHOUT THE PRESS INCLUDING FOx NEWS AND TIME MAGAZINE. If there is any objection, here are five college debating team coaches to choose from.


sumi - Oct 02, 2008 5:51:44 am PDT #1848 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Yeah, it's not like she wrote the damn book yesterday.


Stephanie - Oct 02, 2008 6:00:53 am PDT #1849 of 10001
Trust my rage

plus, Ifill has such a stellar reputation (at least, I think so)


amych - Oct 02, 2008 6:02:53 am PDT #1850 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

So am I the only one looking at this debate as pure dog-n-pony show? The VP debate (even Quayle!) never actually changes any minds; the best real purpose it has (if there is one) is to focus on "is this person competent to take over", which has already been answered on both sides, and I think that's normal these days -- it was more of an issue when there was a lot less media attention and a relatively unknown VP nominee could stay relatively unknown.

I'm making popcorn. I'll throw some popcorn at the TV from time to time. This will make the dog extremely happy. I'll say snarky things on the internets, here and with my coworkers on Twitter.

I actually think there's a lot more substantive stuff out there this cycle than in a lot of past cycles; I think that the combination of Palin and the economy has finally shaken the media into asking more and following the script less than they ever did with either round of Bush. But the VP debate is all about the popcorn-tossing.