Come on. You drop by for a cup of coffee, and the world's not ending? Please.

Connor ,'Not Fade Away'


Natter 61*  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Gudanov - Oct 02, 2008 5:43:48 am PDT #1846 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

Yeah, but the McCain campaign knew that (or should have known that) when they agreed to have Ifill be the moderator.

Which is good for them. Gwen Ifill is a pro, she'll be fair, but if the debate doesn't go well for Palin, they can blame the ref.


Typo Boy - Oct 02, 2008 5:48:13 am PDT #1847 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I think she ought to bring along a backup moderator, and ask if either of the candidates objects to her being a moderator, AS THEY AGREED MONTHS AGO WHEN GWEN'S BOOK WAS ALREADY ANNOUNCED THROUGHOUT THE PRESS INCLUDING FOx NEWS AND TIME MAGAZINE. If there is any objection, here are five college debating team coaches to choose from.


sumi - Oct 02, 2008 5:51:44 am PDT #1848 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Yeah, it's not like she wrote the damn book yesterday.


Stephanie - Oct 02, 2008 6:00:53 am PDT #1849 of 10001
Trust my rage

plus, Ifill has such a stellar reputation (at least, I think so)


amych - Oct 02, 2008 6:02:53 am PDT #1850 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

So am I the only one looking at this debate as pure dog-n-pony show? The VP debate (even Quayle!) never actually changes any minds; the best real purpose it has (if there is one) is to focus on "is this person competent to take over", which has already been answered on both sides, and I think that's normal these days -- it was more of an issue when there was a lot less media attention and a relatively unknown VP nominee could stay relatively unknown.

I'm making popcorn. I'll throw some popcorn at the TV from time to time. This will make the dog extremely happy. I'll say snarky things on the internets, here and with my coworkers on Twitter.

I actually think there's a lot more substantive stuff out there this cycle than in a lot of past cycles; I think that the combination of Palin and the economy has finally shaken the media into asking more and following the script less than they ever did with either round of Bush. But the VP debate is all about the popcorn-tossing.


tommyrot - Oct 02, 2008 6:05:39 am PDT #1851 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

We've already seen this in the first debate, but....

Obama Makes McCain Very Uncomfortable

Let the record reflect that Barack Obama made the approach to John McCain tonight.

As the two shared the Senate floor tonight for the first time since they won their party nominations, Obama stood chatting with Democrats on his side of the aisle, and McCain stood on the Republican side of the aisle.

So Obama crossed over into enemy territory.

He walked over to where McCain was chatting with Republican Sen. Mel Martinez of Florida and Independent Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut. And he stretched out his arm and offered his hand to McCain.

McCain shook it, but with a “go away” look that no one could miss. He tried his best not to even look at Obama.

Finally, with a tight smile, McCain managed a greeting: “Good to see you.”

Obama got the message. He shook hands with Martinez and Lieberman — both of whom greeted him more warmly — and quickly beat a retreat back to the Democratic side.

McCain is a wanker.


Theodosia - Oct 02, 2008 6:06:59 am PDT #1852 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Once again, Obama looks way more presidential.


sumi - Oct 02, 2008 6:28:54 am PDT #1853 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Yes, it's as if McCain cannot help himself.

My plan is to record the debate and start watching after watching Supernatural live.

Assuming, of course, that I don't want to rewatch SPN RIGHT AWAY.


lisah - Oct 02, 2008 6:30:08 am PDT #1854 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate

aww, a nice story in the NY Times about Biden's sister who is an alum of my (tiny) high school!

[link]

She spoke at my graduation.


Gudanov - Oct 02, 2008 6:34:20 am PDT #1855 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

So am I the only one looking at this debate as pure dog-n-pony show?

Largely. I think there is a real downside for the McCain campaign. If Palin doesn't do any better that the Katie Couric interviews, I think that could have a small impact. Small impacts could be really important with so many close states.

Biden is know for gaffes, but he has had tons of exposure and really only came up with the FDR gaffe. Jon tried to pin a gun related gaffe on him too, but Beretta does make shotguns, lots of them.