No. And yes. It's always sudden.

Tara ,'Storyteller'


Natter 61*  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Wolfram - Sep 29, 2008 10:35:06 am PDT #1331 of 10001
Visilurking

Drive-by post:

Happy Jewish New Year, Buffistas. Although I've been spending my increasingly short time on the board in TGWW and a couple tv threads, you all are in my thoughts and prayers.


brenda m - Sep 29, 2008 10:35:10 am PDT #1332 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Am I chucking me off the cliff?


Trudy Booth - Sep 29, 2008 10:40:04 am PDT #1333 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Am I chucking me off the cliff?

Yes. Because you're fucked. And no one will ever marry you.


Gudanov - Sep 29, 2008 10:44:19 am PDT #1334 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

Move to Canada?

They will probably need to boost border security.


tommyrot - Sep 29, 2008 10:47:05 am PDT #1335 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

They will probably need to boost border security.

But with global warming, they'll probably need more migrant farm workers to deal with their more productive agriculture.


tommyrot - Sep 29, 2008 10:50:27 am PDT #1336 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Chicago Buffista bar F2F?

Chicago dive bar scores hit with nude Sarah Palin portrait

Worksafe.


Gudanov - Sep 29, 2008 10:53:23 am PDT #1337 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

Speaking of Palin, one of my favorite post debate lines was watching Anderson Cooper on CNN. Someone, I think Blitzer, mentioned trying to get Palin for comment and Anderson said, "Don't hold your breath on that one."


Typo Boy - Sep 29, 2008 11:20:55 am PDT #1338 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Some more comments. There are a couple of paths out of this. If the Congress granted 32 billion under the current bailout terms, with a new session the 14th and a committment that the session would not end until something was passed that probably would probably calm the credit markets enough to get through to the 14th. If not the alternative is to forget about trying to get the Republicans on Board. The bailout lost 94 Democrats because there were too many concessions to Republicans. Do a Swedish style bailout - no purchase of assets straight equity investment (preferred stock, with a modification to financial laws that it was super-duper preferred stock preferred over bondholders, not just other stockholders.) Add a Roosevelt option - Nationalize the Federal reserve, make a Bank of the United States (or if that name is taken, something similar) that can lend to small businesses and provide other types of vital short term credit. I suspect that would unfreeze credit in banks that were not taken over. You could add conditions, something more concrete than is in the current bill to keep people in their homes, real limits on executive concessions. You could also add a quarter percent tax on financial and currency transactions to pay for the costs of the bailout, and. Since deregulation, and lack of new regulation got us into this mess, I'd include limits on leverage and require that all new types of financial instruments require approval before they become legal. I'd add that a special session be called in January (if neccesary taking time from the regular session ) to pass new more comprehnsive regulation and changes - the legislation to be fast tracked, not completely (amendments would be allowed) but not subject to filibuster, and with not only debate but Amendendments and other parliamentary manuevers for delays limited.

Frankly, I'd follow historical precedent of using emergencies to extract progressive concessions (how democracy evolved in England for example) and say New Deal or No Deal, and add a bunch of stuff like green investment, and National Health. But I don't think you could get Democratic support for that, so I'll stick to what I already mentioned, which I think you could get a Democratic majority for.


Steph L. - Sep 29, 2008 11:21:59 am PDT #1339 of 10001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Like on the immigration bill, the opposition did not fear their party but their voters.

Simple -- elections are coming up.

That dick Boehner is blaming the failure to pass on Pelosi, even though HIS OWN PARTY voted no 2-1.


Theodosia - Sep 29, 2008 11:26:22 am PDT #1340 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I don't think Boehner knows what 'partisan' means in real world speak.

Dow dropped the most-ever points -- worse than after 9/11. Heckuva job, Bushie.