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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Sep 28, 2008 3:27:29 pm PDT #1165 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

This is in'eresting:

Ann Selzer on Youth & Minority Turnout

Selzer thinks that a lot of pollsters may be undercounting the youth vote, and potentially also the black vote. Young voters are becoming harder and harder to reach. They are in the habit of screening their phone calls. More problematically still, a great number of them (roughly 50 percent of voters under 30) rely principally or exclusively on cellphones, which most pollsters (including Selzer) will not call.

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Moreover, many of the pollsters that do weight by age group may be doing so -- to her mind -- in the wrong way. Specifically, they tend to use the 2004 election as a benchmark, when 17 percent were aged 18-29. Selzer uses census bureau data as her benchmark instead; among American adults aged 18 and up, about 22 percent age 18-29. This might not seem like a large difference, but given Obama's strong performance among young voters, it makes a difference of about 1.5 points in the net Obama-McCain margin.

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There is nothing particularly difficult about this algebra. But that may not be preventing some pollsters from getting it wrong. They may fix the youth voter figure at 17%, regardless of what their turnout model says (and ignoring the fact that youth voter turnout increased by 52% as a share of the Democratic primary electorate).


Tom Scola - Sep 28, 2008 3:37:53 pm PDT #1166 of 10001
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

This site estimates that the cellphone effect could be about 2-3 points.


megan walker - Sep 28, 2008 4:02:03 pm PDT #1167 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

That's still not enough to outweigh the bubba effect.


billytea - Sep 28, 2008 4:18:21 pm PDT #1168 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

That's still not enough to outweigh the bubba effect.

What's the bubba effect?


megan walker - Sep 28, 2008 4:26:49 pm PDT #1169 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

The bubba effect is basically the people dumb enough to think a black man can't or shouldn't be president, but not dumb enough to admit that to a pollster.

ETA: Many people estimate that Obama needs to be ahead in the polls by 6% or so to make sure he's "really" ahead.


Sophia Brooks - Sep 28, 2008 4:30:27 pm PDT #1170 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I love Billie Piper and find her to be an extremely attractive young woman, and not a horrible actress. But WHY is she always in period pieces (except for Dr. Who). She is not right. (I am still watching PBS)


Burrell - Sep 28, 2008 4:41:03 pm PDT #1171 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

The bubba effect is basically the people dumb enough to think a black man can't or shouldn't be president, but not dumb enough to admit that to a pollster.

I thought that was called the Bradley effect.


billytea - Sep 28, 2008 5:01:16 pm PDT #1172 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

The bubba effect is basically the people dumb enough to think a black man can't or shouldn't be president, but not dumb enough to admit that to a pollster.

So it's people who (a) will choose based on race, and (b) feel bad enough about it that they'd lie to a pollster about it? I must admit, my first thought is that if I didn't want to vote for Obama, I'd have no problem telling a pollster. I'd just lie about the reason.

Anyway. Was there a bubba effect in the primaries?

Wait, I've found an analysis thereof. [link] Apparently if anything there was a reverse Bradley effect, except possibly in the Northeast. It seems the Bradley effect was significant in the 80s and 90s, but it's no longer such an issue.


erikaj - Sep 28, 2008 5:04:32 pm PDT #1173 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Well, sorta, I think the Bradley Effect is people that want the pollster to think they'll vote for the black guy but they don't. But I would distrust any political sentence from me that doesn't start "Keith Olbermann says..." That said, in the Buffista admin, I would *love* to work in the Ministry of Kill The Stupid People.


sarameg - Sep 28, 2008 5:11:05 pm PDT #1174 of 10001

Skipping the last 673 for now:

I got to see my brother defend his diss and it was AWESOME. The first half (background) I didn't really understand (it was lingo heavy, but he clearly knew what he was talking about) but the second half, about the experiments themselves, I did, largely due to his talking about them to me over the past 4 years, and providing lay translations back then. He got some tough questions (and this was after his private defense with his committee) and fielded them well. It was so cool to see my brother clearly the expert, and confident in that. Also, him in a suit. He wears them frequently enough, but I haven't seen him in one since my college graduation. So I'd be watching and there'd be this realization that this smart-sounding, grown-up, good looking dude was MY BROTHER.

We keep calling him Dr. Josh A. and he's quite discomfited by it. So we use it measuredly. Like when we want to annoy.

He totally used the picture of me and the Rover in his dedication and said "and my sister, who shown here is about to hit the Rover with a rock." Ah, siblings.

I got plenty of time with the nephews. D glommed onto me (he'll be 6 this xmas) and I was clearly The Person To Do Stuff With. Which is just awesome. I did a lot of coloring and reading books. When I arrived, I picked up him & T from daycare and took them to the airport to pick up my parents. Now, T is 16 months and can't possibly remember me from a year ago, but he was excited to go with me and clearly felt totally safe with me. Which is a nice feeling.

From the airport, I called my brother on my cell and put D on the line (remember, he didn't know I was coming.) My brother was so confused! It was great. I love sitting around with him, just shooting the shit like we do on the phone and I got to do a lot of that.

Great 4 days. More later, as I think of it.

I really want them closer.

Loki is BONKERS which is making Devi BONKERS. Tonight will be interesting.

And I DON'T have a build tomorrow.

Shuttle mission was moved to 10/14.