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Natter 60: Gone In 60 Seconds  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 28, 2008 5:56:10 am PDT #5834 of 10003
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

A lot of them *are*, though, and even though they themselves are pro-choice, they truly believe that even under Obama, abortion rights won't be any better than they were under Bush.

I've also heard the "we don't want the Democrats to hold us hostage/take us for granted using abortion" trope as well.

Which, if McCain stuffs a couple more arch-conservatives on the SCotUS, they no longer will be able to. Kudos.

My sneaking suspicion is that the PUMA movement was started (and is funded) by the McCain campaign and is decidedly NOT the grass-roots outraged-women-voters thing that they claim to be. And as such, that the numbers they're claiming are pure unadulterated bullshit.

Tell that to my sister, an unaplogetic 60s radical. I sincerely doubt she'll vote for McCain, but she's thinking of not voting (something she's NEVER done before since she turned voting age), and in Maine, it might actually make a difference (though probably not in the grand scheme of the election).

She said she really thought it was time for a woman president, which I understand, but she also basically said she thought Obama crossed the line during the primary. I had to seriously restrain myself from asking her if she meant the color line, but it was at a family gathering on an island, so there was no way I was going to get into it with her - limited avenues of escape and all.


Sophia Brooks - Aug 28, 2008 5:58:33 am PDT #5835 of 10003
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Happy Birthday to Casper!

I have been assuming that NY will go to Obama no matter what, even though Hillary is our Senator.


Connie Neil - Aug 28, 2008 6:14:13 am PDT #5836 of 10003
brillig

I saw an Obama bumper sticker on a car in Provo, Utah--seat of a county where I think Ron Paul would hae won if Mitt Romney hadn't been running. Said car still had all its windows intact. Granted, it was a car from Idaho, which is much more liberal than most people may believe, but still.


sumi - Aug 28, 2008 6:17:55 am PDT #5837 of 10003
Art Crawl!!!

Happy Birthday to Casper!

Tommyrot - did you hear Mayor Daley's intro to Illinois? You know - Chicago where the White Sox will play the Cubs in a subway series? Made me laugh!

Missed much of Kerry's speech. (I was going back and forth between tennis and c-span and then I took some time between the roll call and Clinton's speech to watch Greatest American Dog.)

I thought that they should have played Clinton on with some James Brown or possibly some ZZ Top. (I was thinking "Sharp Dressed Man.")

Also, can you believe that they played "Addicted to Love"? Why must convention music suck so much?


Allyson - Aug 28, 2008 6:18:26 am PDT #5838 of 10003
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

It's odd. I have no doubt at all that Obama will be the next PotUS. And I think the debates will be the clincher.

I'm rarely optimistic. I didn't think Kerry would win at all, so didn't suffer the same sort of shock I saw in a lot of Buffistas. Disappointment, but not shock.


tommyrot - Aug 28, 2008 6:22:11 am PDT #5839 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Tommyrot - did you hear Mayor Daley's intro to Illinois? You know - Chicago where the White Sox will play the Cubs in a subway series? Made me laugh!

Heh.


Cashmere - Aug 28, 2008 6:22:59 am PDT #5840 of 10003
Now tagless for your comfort.

It's odd. I have no doubt at all that Obama will be the next PotUS.

Allyson is me.


Trudy Booth - Aug 28, 2008 6:23:47 am PDT #5841 of 10003
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

It's odd. I have no doubt at all that Obama will be the next PotUS.

I will literally weep.


Steph L. - Aug 28, 2008 6:25:25 am PDT #5842 of 10003
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I thought that they should have played Clinton on with some James Brown or possibly some ZZ Top. (I was thinking "Sharp Dressed Man.")

Oh, man. When they played "Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow" as he came on, I started crying. I remember everything about election day 1992, including the Clintons and Gores celebrating with that song blasting in the background. Ever since Bush won in 2000, I have to change the channel when it comes on the radio.


Typo Boy - Aug 28, 2008 6:25:33 am PDT #5843 of 10003
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Yeah, I'm actually optimistic about Obama winning too - not certain, but think the odds are in his favor. But I'm pessimistic about what happens next. He, like Hillary, is a cautious centrist - who won't make the changes we need. And unlike Roosevelt, there is not serious grassroots movement that will push him: Moveone and the rest of the "netroots"? Not strong enough, and not independent enough of the Democratic party to push the changes needed.