Handsome brooding vampire guy has to swoop in all sensitive mouth and overhanging forehead. How 'bout leaving some scraps for the homely-looking fellows who don't turn evil when they get some?

Doyle ,'Life of the Party'


Natter 60: Gone In 60 Seconds  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


megan walker - Aug 11, 2008 9:31:37 am PDT #2525 of 10003
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Of course, McCain's own prep school, which now runs $38K a year to attend, doesn't mean that he is elitist, no siree bob!

Or say, Bush, who not only went to Yale and Harvard, but also Phillips Academy Andover, which, as discussed previously, is one of the Select Sixteen. Apart from choosing Andover over Phillips Academy Exeter, it doesn't get more elitist than that.


Daisy Jane - Aug 11, 2008 9:44:29 am PDT #2526 of 10003
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Ha! Now the craxies have tied the Hawaii trip and the citizenship thing together.

He’s in Hawaii to try to somehow get around his forged Hawaiian Birth Certificate. Maybe his sister or grandmother have a connection to get a new one. His grandmother was a bank higher-up in Hawaii.

This would be awesome if it weren't so sad.


megan walker - Aug 11, 2008 9:46:39 am PDT #2527 of 10003
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I wonder if this is to try to distract people from the legal question about McCain's citizenship (which, while valid, is also ridiculous).


Strega - Aug 11, 2008 9:47:36 am PDT #2528 of 10003

High schools do it. Colleges do it. All of them. Students decline to get it

I dunno, I remember essentially being taught to plagiarize. In elementary school we'd get random assigned topics, and we were pointed to the nonfiction section, and we were supposed to spit back exactly what we read. Now, the point was to learn to use the card catalog and so on, I get that. But it's not like there was ever a speech about "you can copy IN THIS CASE because we simply want proof that you know how to look up manatees in the encyclopedia; this is not a writing class." Kids don't always learn the lessons you intend.

I know in 6th grade I did this report on black holes that was hugely plagiarized from one magazine article -- not just little snippets, but the organization, the examples, and at least one illustration were ripped off. I didn't get caught, and I remember it because a few years later I was like, "Oh, wow, that wasn't right at all, was it?" But at the time I truly had no idea I was doing anything wrong. I had a bibliography; I made it clear when I was quoting the article directly. Of course the whole report was just me paraphrasing other people -- what else was I supposed to do? It's not like I personally knew about black holes.

And in jr high, we were taught more about citations, but again, in order to give us practice at those things, we got lots of assignments where we had to have X sources, and I certainly got the strong impression that a research paper meant that we were supposed to summarize what other people had said. Period. It was kinda excting in college when profs were more explicitly asking us for our own opinions and analysis. But it doesn't surprise me if some kids, when asked to express some critical thoughts of their own, genuinely don't understand how to do so. Why'd we spend all that time teaching 'em how to copy if we didn't expect them to do it? I sure don't recall anyone teaching us how to have original thoughts.

I went to a fairly well-regarded school system and had a lot of great teachers. I think this is just a systematic problem where the cumulative effect over 12 years is quite different from any single lesson. And of course sometimes kids plagiarize when they know it's wrong, because they're lazy or stupid or whatever. But sometimes they're doing exactly what they were taught to do.


tommyrot - Aug 11, 2008 9:54:34 am PDT #2529 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Really, the far-rightwingers are just spitting out a kaleidescope of accusations against Obama, and seeing what sticks. Never mind that a lot of what they accuse him of was also done by their hero, Reagan, among other Republican presidents.


Kat - Aug 11, 2008 9:55:06 am PDT #2530 of 10003
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I certainly got the strong impression that a research paper meant that we were supposed to summarize what other people had said.

Strega, that's true to a certain extent. Because lots of middle school research isn't cutting edge new info, it is the summarization of other information. But, it has to be paraphrased/summarized and, in the words of one of the most recent CWP Analytical Writing Continuum, it needs to be recapitulated with analysis. And that's the essential difference.

Teaching when to cite, in terms of plagiarism is extremely difficult. I often point out that if you information doesn't answer "So What?" Or "this connects to my main idea" then you have to cite it.

And I publicly fail students who don't, using their paper, with the name stripped, in a lesson about what is wrong with plagiariing.


Kathy A - Aug 11, 2008 9:55:24 am PDT #2531 of 10003
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Interesting--Roger Ebert's take on the opening ceremonies and the thoughts on China that rose from seeing them.


hippocampus - Aug 11, 2008 9:56:46 am PDT #2532 of 10003
not your mom's socks.

And suddenly I'm concerned about Allyson's bat.

is it a vampire bat? we could have a blood drive...


Kathy A - Aug 11, 2008 9:59:18 am PDT #2533 of 10003
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Looks like Anthony Bourdain's doing a "No Reservations" ep in Chicago!


lisah - Aug 11, 2008 10:11:16 am PDT #2534 of 10003
Punishingly Intricate

Looks like Anthony Bourdain's doing a "No Reservations" ep in Chicago!

I've been there!!! And the owner is my friend's husband's name dobbleganger.