I'm more or less in Gar's corner here, though I might have chosen different words. When you're playing such a high stakes game with people's lives, going at it woth this waiting out there is pretty reprehensible.

I was trying to suss out whether I felt personally angry, since for once I actually gave a fair bit of momey to the campaign.

And I don't. Edwards' campaign, whatever else youi can say about it, did have the effect of putting some issues on the table that weren't there before. It pushed both Obama and Clinton to commit more strongly to more aggressive and detailed healthcare plans. He did some real good there.

But had he continued on and triumphed, we'd all be in a world of fucking hurt right now - an entirely foreseeable ouutcome from his perspective. That's pretty fucked.

Yeah, whether or not Elizabeth knew, I find it difficult to believe Hilllary didn't at least in general know (again, whether she specifically knew about Monica, or just knew in general...well. Though again, on the one hand, it's like "Dude, can't you manage to not embarrass us in front of the entire world?!?", but eight years is a long time. Not that he managed to make it eight years. But thinking that he could probably would've been overly optomistic on her part. Clearly.)

personally, Brenda, I feel like we gave it with good intentions. And I still care about the two Americas, health care, and all that stuff.ETA: But I'm sad that my Matt Saracen metaphor won't hold up anymore. QB 1 would NEVER do that. And Elizabeth rocks, so so much for the Helen Gurley Brown theory that his cheating is a failure of your awesome. At the time of Lewinsky, though, I would have thought Bill Clinton would never be asked to address Dems en masse again, too, so, who knows?

But if she explicitly condoned it, I wouldn't call it cheating.

And if she copped to it in THIS country and Edwards was the nominee, the Republicans would probably have had all the fuel they'd need to win, because those aren't 'murican values. Apparently, we don't care if you call your wife the C-word, however. She was probably just being uppity anyway.

Sorry, for me, at this point, anything that keeps Republicans in significant power = morally wrong to me, but that's just my opinion.

And if she copped to it in THIS country and Edwards was the nominee, the Republicans would probably have had all the fuel they'd need to win, because those aren't 'murican values.

Oh, definitely. No way The American People would elect someone with a non-monogamous marriage.

Apparently, we don't care if you call your wife the C-word, however. She was probably just being uppity anyway.

Yeah, don't get me started on that one.

Sorry, for me, at this point, anything that keeps Republicans in significant power = morally wrong to me, but that's just my opinion.

And anything that lets the Republicans keep their monopoly over what gets counted as a "moral" issue = especially loathesome.

My Edwards feelings have nothing to do with his sexual habits. But I need to not rant that rant here any more.

I mean granted, both of those are "privacy of your home issues". I just hate the double-freakin' standard (and I'm not 100% sure if it's male/female or Dem/Rep or some intricate cross-breeding of the two, and I suspect that if McCain got caught in an affair right now, it wouldn't get half the howls of protest that even Edwards has, let alone if it was Obama - that is, unless it was an affair of teh gay sort).

Opening ceremonies!

To be honest, I wasn't going to watch, but then I saw the pictures.

To be honest, I wasn't going to watch, but then I saw the pictures.

Dude, yes. I caught a bunch of the parade of nations stuff online this morning (which is REALLY LONG THIS YEAR), and the torch lighting (which is REALLY COOL THIS YEAR) but I missed all the cultural stuff in the photos and now I have to remember how to watch the live real-time kind of TV.

... and OMG

eta: over-the-air HD ftw!