Buffy: Dancing with you is way better than trying to hook up with some good-looking guy. Xander: I think I liked it more when you were kicking me in my puffy groin.

'Get It Done'


Natter 59: Dominate Your Face!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Pix - Jul 28, 2008 10:00:07 am PDT #9952 of 10003
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

I think there is a distinct class the author did not mention which I would call the Academic class. Professors, people in publishing, Scientists (hell, most Buffistas)--all these people don't have money but do have their own distinct set of values. The love of knowledge and culture and disinterest in the trappings of wealth is common in this group, no matter what class they started from. I grew up with people who would spend money on a season ticket for the Ballet, but not on a new couch.

Scrappy is me! My parents grew up dirt poor, but they came from families who valued education--in part because on my mom's side I come from a long line of public school teachers (and if you think teachers get paid badly now, you should see what they made back then).

My mom grew up in a ramshackle farmhouse with her two brothers raising animals and keeping a huge vegetable garden in order to have a source of food. Her parents both taught school of one sort or another, but their parents were all farmers. They were decidedly working poor, but they were well educated. Two of the three kids went on to college--my mom became a public school teacher, and one uncle became an architect. The other uncle became a maintenance worker/custodian.

On my dad's side, his father served two tours in WWII and then became completely disabled (he was paralyzed from the neck down) from polio shortly after getting home. My grandmother graduated at the top of her college class, but she spent her life as a homemaker and caretaker. They were solidly lower middle class until my grandfather's illness, at which point every penny was precious. Supporting four kids on one disabled veteran's pension wasn't easy. Yet all four kids went to college, working their way through waiting tables and such. One aunt became a nurse, one a financial/marketing person, and my dad and his younger sister both became public school teachers.

It's an odd thing, growing up with parents from backgrounds like this. They both are very frugal and hold a lot of middle class values, but education has always been the most valuable thing to their families. It was a ticket out of poverty. My cousins range from new money wealthy (working in computers, marketing, etc.), middle class (teachers, nurses, etc.), and blue collar (construction etc.). Believe me, class becomes an issue even at family gatherings at some points.

And yeah, my dad would spent money on season tickets for the orchestra, but we always had second-hand furniture and such.


Sophia Brooks - Jul 28, 2008 10:08:32 am PDT #9953 of 10003
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I think there is a distinct class the author did not mention which I would call the Academic class.

I feel like I can fake being part of this class, but decidedly am not. I really took to school, though. My mom and her brothers, and really even my grandma and grandpa were really uneducated, but very, very smart. My youngest uncle got scholarships to different higher level high schools, but got in trouble for taking the tests and couldn't go. He ended up going in the Army, and then worked for the Post Office, where he worked his way up to being the supplies manager for the region. He retired at 50 to become a massage therapist. My mom worked for Social Services as a Welfare Examinaer, and my other uncle cut trees for Niagara Mowhawk Power company. Everyone but my mom ended up with awesome retirement benefits. My mom and uncles read like crazy people and our family get-togethers include massive, massive trivial pursuit games. My kind of mean uncle does make fun of me a lot for being too educated, which is kind of weird.


shrift - Jul 28, 2008 10:10:52 am PDT #9954 of 10003
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Second Google interview went well. I'm hoping to know what's what this week. Have successfully stalled other job offer company. Now I will make a big pot of chili and then send thank you e-mails.


Nilly - Jul 28, 2008 10:11:53 am PDT #9955 of 10003
Swouncing

Second Google interview went well.

Yay! And lots of fingers crossed.


Kathy A - Jul 28, 2008 10:13:27 am PDT #9956 of 10003
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Yay Shrift!!


tommyrot - Jul 28, 2008 10:14:19 am PDT #9957 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

OMGWTFBBQ!!

The meatiest feast - Russians create a 335ft long barbecue


amych - Jul 28, 2008 10:15:12 am PDT #9958 of 10003
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Woo-hoo! Google and chili sounds like a fabulous Monday!


Jesse - Jul 28, 2008 10:17:42 am PDT #9959 of 10003
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Woo hoo, shrift!! Fingers crossed!!!


Sophia Brooks - Jul 28, 2008 10:20:02 am PDT #9960 of 10003
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Yay shrift!


Trudy Booth - Jul 28, 2008 10:20:35 am PDT #9961 of 10003
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I'd think most "Academic Class" are middle class. Sometimes they came from money or poverty and make or lose money, but its basically Respectable Middle Class.

It seems like a lot of Americans would like to think that we don't HAVE class divisions, that its somehow unamerican to think in those terms. And that may have been some early utopian meritocracy vision of what the Republic would be... but what wound up happening is that we do have social classes, we just have the not-so-common in the world ability to switch between them.