I said I'm sorry. I've made mistakes, but fear was never one of them.

Lilah ,'Conviction (1)'


Natter 59: Dominate Your Face!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Susan W. - Jun 03, 2008 6:05:31 pm PDT #900 of 10003
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

And when Obama is the nominee, what about the people from Pennsylvania, Ohio, and South Dakota? He certainly did not win the popular vote in those states. Are they not counted either?

That's not the issue. There are NO numbers from Washington in her popular vote tally. Zero. Because we're a caucus state that doesn't report official numbers of caucus-goers, we don't exist in her calculus. She literally is not including us. That's my issue. All these people in this picture [link] plus all of us already crammed into the gym when it was made, plus the thousands like us all around the state, the ones that supported her just as much as those of us who supported Obama, don't exist in that so-called "popular vote" number she's tossing around.


Maria - Jun 03, 2008 6:10:05 pm PDT #901 of 10003
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

Obama's not deleting those votes from the totals, or totting up delegate counts only from caucuses or the states he won.

I didn't say he was. It was stupid for her to do, but there is a very real possibility that those voters will feel just as perturbed as Susan and Typo, albeit for slightly different reasons.

The problem is in the nominating process. This primary cycle has certainly shown that the current system doesn't work when it's this close. There's no way in hell a nominee should be decided by superdelegates.

I've got a funny feeling that the Democratic Party is not done with polarization. McCain's got to be loving this.


sarameg - Jun 03, 2008 6:20:37 pm PDT #902 of 10003

Ladies and gentlemen, this is the painfully high cost of new furniture: [link] (that's a couplethree days old. What is not shown is the swelling.)

Also? I have mutant strawberries. How'd they get that name anyway?


Laga - Jun 03, 2008 6:22:07 pm PDT #903 of 10003
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

oww! I haven't had a bruise like that since I played Whirly-Ball.


Kat - Jun 03, 2008 6:23:59 pm PDT #904 of 10003
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Ouch, sara, that's NASTY.


Maria - Jun 03, 2008 6:25:48 pm PDT #905 of 10003
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

Clinton totaled up various states and claimed to have won the popular vote overall - by leaving 14 states out. That is a bullshit claim.

It was absolutely stupid. She's not the first politician to make up numbers and she won't be the last, but she did win some very large states who need to go blue in the general election for Obama to prevail. When it's a close election, bitter feelings are amplified. (See the 2000 and 2004 elections.)

I don't much care for the "drink the kool-aid" metaphor.

Fair enough, but I stand by my right to use it. Clinton was not my first choice; John Edwards was, followed by Chris Dodd. My problem is I just do not know WHAT he plans to do. He's a fabulous speaker, but the substance is lacking for me.

I don't want to settle anymore, and regardless of who the Democratic nominee is, I think we would. Republicans are also settling.

There are zero issues on which McCain is better than Obama.

That's your opinion. I may or may not agree. I haven't heard enough substance from Obama to definitively make up my mind.

Susan and Gar, thanks for clarifying your positions. I was coming at it from a different angle, and I think I'm getting tired of the insinuation that Barack Obama is the savior of the Democratic Party.


sarameg - Jun 03, 2008 6:28:01 pm PDT #906 of 10003

See that faint line above it on my thigh? (below in the photo.) That's from where I fell off a dhow in Mozambique and gave myself a credible Virgin of Guadalupe icon bruise in 2000 or 2001. The dent is mostly gone, took years. No telling if weight loss will bring it back.

When I bruise, I do it good.


Kat - Jun 03, 2008 6:28:07 pm PDT #907 of 10003
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I have lots of comments about the Obama/Clinton thing. I know people are passionate in their beliefs about both candidates (and about McCain). In lieu of picking a fight over comments I think are extremely polarizing, I'm just gonna keep my mouth shut.

In other news, Time Warner? Asshatty! They came to install a digital phone line with the rest of our digital stuff. It took them 4+ hours to get the connection to the airport working again.


Maria - Jun 03, 2008 6:29:40 pm PDT #908 of 10003
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

Ouch, sara! That piece of furniture should be burned for warmth. Please be careful!


Kat - Jun 03, 2008 6:30:33 pm PDT #909 of 10003
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Also, high school students who have been without a permanent teacher all year? ARGH. I got called childish when I asked a girl to stop making out with her boyfriend during class.

Seriously? Enough.