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Spike's Bitches 41: Thrown together to stand against the forces of darkness  

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WindSparrow - Jul 30, 2008 9:07:05 am PDT #9269 of 10001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

I will not lie. I will not cheat. I will not steal.

Isn't that the cadet's creed? Or part of it?

I think that creed is from West Point, and this is ROTC,

My brother went to West Point, and the way I remember it, it ran, "I will not lie, cheat or steal, and I will not tolerate those who do." Cadets there were expected to report themselves for infractions, if for no other reason than to spare someone else the need to do so. There is also that "Duty, Honor, Country" thing. I'm on Joe's side here for sure. His clear duty is to see to it that the appropriate consequence falls on this cadet for cheating. I think people only think cheating is not that serious when it is for something that does not matter. After all, nobody wants to fly in a plane piloted by a guy who cheated on his eye exam. Saying it is ok for this kid to cheat and get away with it, is saying that ROTC does not matter. Personally, I think it does.


megan walker - Jul 30, 2008 9:08:26 am PDT #9270 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Sure, ethics might almost seem an impediment to achieving wealth, power, or whatever, but that doesn't change the fact that people who achieve wealth, power or whatever in very unethical ways pretty much universally leave destruction and other profound negative effects in their wake.

In a study by the guy that wrote The Millionaire Next Door, the most common characteristic used (by other people) to describe multi-millionaires was "integrity".


Stephanie - Jul 30, 2008 9:08:50 am PDT #9271 of 10001
Trust my rage

well, snce starting this job,, joe's standard in general, has been "is this person qualified to lead my daughter in combat someday" (if Ellie were to grow up to be a soldier someday). From that perspective, I think ethics are crucial because I think it represents the best possibility for her to come home in one piece.

I'm taking a huge shortcut there but the iPhone makes it hard to write long posts.


Stephanie - Jul 30, 2008 9:11:21 am PDT #9272 of 10001
Trust my rage

also, what ita said


amych - Jul 30, 2008 9:12:21 am PDT #9273 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Huge shortcut or not, I think you nailed it, Stephanie.


Miracleman - Jul 30, 2008 9:13:20 am PDT #9274 of 10001
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

"Boing" or "boink"?


Sean K - Jul 30, 2008 9:18:17 am PDT #9275 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

If other people doesn't matter, neither does their destruction, and how negative are the after-effects then?

Historically speaking, I'd say the more prevalent this attitude is among those in power, the more negative the effects are. Including for those in power who think themselves immune.


WindSparrow - Jul 30, 2008 9:21:59 am PDT #9276 of 10001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

I am very much a believer in "Rules are for the guidance of the wise, and the blind obedience of fools". I see no wisdom in cheating.


Susan W. - Jul 30, 2008 9:27:13 am PDT #9277 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I believe that small flaws often grow into something much bigger. IOW, if a ROTC cadet thinks cheating is no big deal, I tremble to think what he'll believe is OK by the time he's a colonel or a general.


beekaytee - Jul 30, 2008 9:28:11 am PDT #9278 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant

Huh. Morality has been on my mind a lot lately in connection with my faux-son...a good friend's boy, for whom I have been an influence.

I've undertaken this role for one other young man and, after 20 years, he still looks to me for advice and support. It's an honor that I take very seriously.

Sadly, for the first time, I'm considering abdicating that role with the current faux-son...which makes me feel terrible. Would I write him off if he were actual kin? I sincerely don't know.

The issue is integrity and the lack there of. The kid lies. A lot. About everything. I know that he knows better. It's just easier and, in some cases, more fun.

I've talked to him about my own struggles with truth telling when I was younger and the work it took to turn that around and live a life of integrity.

I believe he understands and simply doesn't give a toss except when fake contrition will get him out of something. I'm out of things to say and now just feel sour and rejecty. That can't possibly help him but I honestly don't know what else to do.

I used to think that manipulative, dishonest behavior would come back around to bite you in the ass...It certainly seemed to do so for me! But, you know? Maybe it won't. Maybe this kid will Carl Rove his way through life and be perfectly fine.

Makes me feel a bit powerless and sad.